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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
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May 28 2012, 04:44 PM
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Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.
Pak is going to say that he wasn't angry enough I bet.

Anyways though, Gohan was a SSJ2, theirs too much proof too say otherwise. Besides, I feel this topic is being looked far too much into. I don't even think the creator cared that much.

Frankly, it was just a fight between Gohan and Dabura. Forget all the transformations. It was Gohan vs. Dabura.

Gohan has the power of transformation into SSJ2, so logically it'd be utilized. Everybody is trying to read inbetween the lines when there is no lines to be read.

It's simple.
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AT realy messd up with Gohans hairstyle. Gohan should have same hair like his kid self.

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DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

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There is no reason he wouldnt go SSJ2 if he was losing. Simple as that.
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May 28 2012, 09:52 PM
DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

Gohan lost his aura after Cell's attack, hence no lightning. Except in the cases of Nappa's power-up and Dabura's fireball, lightning has never existed without an aura to house it. As soon as Gohan got an aura back, he had lightning.
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May 28 2012, 09:52 PM
DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

Gohan lost his aura after Cell's attack, hence no lightning. Except in the cases of Nappa's power-up and Dabura's fireball, lightning has never existed without an aura to house it. As soon as Gohan got an aura back, he had lightning.
Apologies, memory fail there. Although those other situations suggest that Lightning is a result of power as opposed to a transformation.
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Gohan was ssj2 prove he wasnt cuz u havent yet lol
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May 28 2012, 04:44 PM
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May 28 2012, 04:38 PM
Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.
Silly you he wasn't angry enough. Almost dying? Risking the entire planet? Of course he's not angry.

Now if Kibito had been standing nearby, that guy clearly rustled Gohan's jimmies.
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You know what's funny about this guy's argument?

He believes that Gohan was an SSJ2 during his fight with Broly, when there's no lightning, but he doesn't believe Gohan was SSJ2 vs. Dabura because there's no lightning.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
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May 28 2012, 10:08 PM
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May 28 2012, 10:01 PM
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May 28 2012, 09:52 PM
DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

Gohan lost his aura after Cell's attack, hence no lightning. Except in the cases of Nappa's power-up and Dabura's fireball, lightning has never existed without an aura to house it. As soon as Gohan got an aura back, he had lightning.
Apologies, memory fail there. Although those other situations suggest that Lightning is a result of power as opposed to a transformation.
I don't think that makes sense. Why did nothing else in the manga get lightning besides those two instances and every instance of a SSjin 2? For Gohan to be so weak that he had no lightning against Dabura, he'd have had to have been less than half as powerful as his kid self. I don't think the power argument really works.
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May 28 2012, 10:08 PM
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May 28 2012, 10:01 PM
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May 28 2012, 09:52 PM
DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

Gohan lost his aura after Cell's attack, hence no lightning. Except in the cases of Nappa's power-up and Dabura's fireball, lightning has never existed without an aura to house it. As soon as Gohan got an aura back, he had lightning.
Apologies, memory fail there. Although those other situations suggest that Lightning is a result of power as opposed to a transformation.
I don't think that makes sense. Why did nothing else in the manga get lightning besides those two instances and every instance of a SSjin 2? For Gohan to be so weak that he had no lightning against Dabura, he'd have had to have been less than half as powerful as his kid self. I don't think the power argument really works.
I actually do have SSj2 Teen Gohan a little under half as weak as Cell Games SSj2 Gohan due to the rage boost I give him and small SSj2 multiplier.

I don't use that explanation though, it can't be a power thing because he had sparks at the tournament.
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May 28 2012, 11:56 PM
You know what's funny about this guy's argument?

He believes that Gohan was an SSJ2 during his fight with Broly, when there's no lightning, but he doesn't believe Gohan was SSJ2 vs. Dabura because there's no lightning.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
I couldn't agree more.
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May 29 2012, 12:53 AM
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May 28 2012, 10:08 PM
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May 28 2012, 10:01 PM
Dale Horvath
May 28 2012, 09:52 PM
DBZ Chapter 221: Father and Son
Context: Goku is telling Gohan to counter Cell's Solar Kamehameha
''But...What good would it do now? I can only use one arm...I've lost half my chi...''

Notice, he's <50% and there's a lack of lightning.

DBZ Chapter 251: The Terrible Mystery
Context: Kibito is healing Gohan after his energy was taken by Yamu
''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an Earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!''
''Phew! That should do, Son Gohan.''

It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.

Gohan lost his aura after Cell's attack, hence no lightning. Except in the cases of Nappa's power-up and Dabura's fireball, lightning has never existed without an aura to house it. As soon as Gohan got an aura back, he had lightning.
Apologies, memory fail there. Although those other situations suggest that Lightning is a result of power as opposed to a transformation.
I don't think that makes sense. Why did nothing else in the manga get lightning besides those two instances and every instance of a SSjin 2? For Gohan to be so weak that he had no lightning against Dabura, he'd have had to have been less than half as powerful as his kid self. I don't think the power argument really works.
I actually do have SSj2 Teen Gohan a little under half as weak as Cell Games SSj2 Gohan due to the rage boost I give him and small SSj2 multiplier.

I don't use that explanation though, it can't be a power thing because he had sparks at the tournament.
And it was suggested by Kaioshin that that wasn't even Gohan's full power, which seems like a hint by Toriyama and not just a random misleading quote, but to each his own. Depending on your belief, we've seen Gohan start out holding back some of his SSjin 2 power, so it could be possible the same thing happened at the tournament.

As for why he wouldn't use it against Dabura or Boo, perhaps the fear that things would spiral out of control and something terrible would happen like at the Cell Games stopped him. He lost his father last time he used the form in a real fight. At the tournament, he had people there to help control his emotions, and he wasn't in a serious battle that would incite those primal instincts again. Maybe he thought if he used the form in a life-or-death fight, like against Dabura, there was a possibility of him losing his reasoning and getting someone else killed once again. I dunno, but it's a theory nonetheless.

In my view, Toriyama wanted people to forget about SSjin 2 so it would be that much better when Goku and Vegeta whipped it out, which unfortunately led to Gohan presumably being daft post-tournament.
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Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.
Pak is going to say that he wasn't angry enough I bet.

Anyways though, Gohan was a SSJ2, theirs too much proof too say otherwise. Besides, I feel this topic is being looked far too much into. I don't even think the creator cared that much.

Frankly, it was just a fight between Gohan and Dabura. Forget all the transformations. It was Gohan vs. Dabura.

Gohan has the power of transformation into SSJ2, so logically it'd be utilized. Everybody is trying to read inbetween the lines when there is no lines to be read.

It's simple.
I didn't see a single proof proves Gohan was a SSJ2. I showed many facts from the Manga proving he was a SSJ. It's really simple to know if he was SSJ or not. Lool at his aura.

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May 28 2012, 08:09 PM
Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.
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Because he couldn't. He needed rage and Goku even told him to get mad. He had SSJ aura so he was a SSJ. It's simple.


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May 28 2012, 08:09 PM
It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.
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Gohan was not even able to release full power when Goku pushed him to do that when Cell was about to kill him because he was not angry enough so I am not surprised he couldn't go SSJ2 vs Dabura.

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It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.
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I don't think Gohan had an aura after he got blasted so that's why he had no lightening. Also. I think Kibito said it seems he is not at full power because he was in the middle of the recovery. Then he said "that's it" correct me if I am wrong though. Anyway Gohan didn't even have his SSJ2 aura. He had a SSJ aura. Gohan's hair was also the same as SSJ or SSJ2. So making him a SSJ2 vs Dabura and he looked totally SSJ so it's a bit idiotical.

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May 28 2012, 08:09 PM
There is no reason he wouldnt go SSJ2 if he was losing. Simple as that.
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He was a SSJ and never went SSJ2 (Full Power) since he was not angry enough. Gohan was not able to release full power when he faced SPC even though Goku pushed him to do that and Gohan was losing so it's the same thing. This is why he later told him when he was about to go with Kaioshin to get mad like he did when he beat Cell so he can have his full power (SSJ2).


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May 28 2012, 08:09 PM
Gohan was ssj2 prove he wasnt cuz u havent yet lol
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He was a SSJ. I showed facts from the Manga and you are just ignoring facts. Prove me he was a SSJ. Oh look at his aura. He had SSJ aura since he was SSJ, simple.


Quoting limited to 10 levels deep[quote=amsmagic,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM][quote=GridZero,May 28 2012, 04:44 PM][quote=xpert123,May 28 2012, 04:38 PM]Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

[/quote]It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol. [/quote]Pak is going to say that he wasn't angry enough I bet.

Anyways though, Gohan was a SSJ2, theirs too much proof too say otherwise. Besides, I feel this topic is being looked far too much into. I don't even think the creator cared that much.

Frankly, it was just a fight between Gohan and Dabura. Forget all the transformations. It was Gohan vs. Dabura.

Gohan has the power of transformation into SSJ2, so logically it'd be utilized. Everybody is trying to read inbetween the lines when there is no lines to be read.

It's simple. [/quote]I didn't see a single proof proves Gohan was a SSJ2. I showed many facts from the Manga proving he was a SSJ. It's really simple to know if he was SSJ or not. Lool at his aura.

[quote=xpert123,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.[quote] Because he couldn't. He needed rage and Goku even told him to get mad. He had SSJ aura so he was a SSJ. It's simple.


[quote=GridZero,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.[quote] Gohan was not even able to release full power when Goku pushed him to do that when Cell was about to kill him because he was not angry enough so I am not surprised he couldn't go SSJ2 vs Dabura.

[quote=+ Dale Horvath,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]It sounds as though Kibito was unable to fully recover Gohan's chi, especially seeing as Base Gohan > Kibito IIRC. Perhaps it's the same situation;

At the Cell Games, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Cell's blast
At the battle with Dabura, Gohan's SSJ2 was too weak to have sparks due to Kibito not recovering all of Gohan's chi.[quote] I don't think Gohan had an aura after he got blasted so that's why he had no lightening. Also. I think Kibito said it seems he is not at full power because he was in the middle of the recovery. Then he said "that's it" correct me if I am wrong though. Anyway Gohan didn't even have his SSJ2 aura. He had a SSJ aura. Gohan's hair was also the same as SSJ or SSJ2. So making him a SSJ2 vs Dabura and he looked totally SSJ so it's a bit idiotical.

[quote=Gogeta SSJ4,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]There is no reason he wouldnt go SSJ2 if he was losing. Simple as that. [quote] He was a SSJ and never went SSJ2 (Full Power) since he was not angry enough. Gohan was not able to release full power when he faced SPC even though Goku pushed him to do that and Gohan was losing so it's the same thing. This is why he later told him when he was about to go with Kaioshin to get mad like he did when he beat Cell so he can have his full power (SSJ2).


[quote=Gogeta SSJ4,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]Gohan was ssj2 prove he wasnt cuz u havent yet lol[quote] He was a SSJ. I showed facts from the Manga and you are just ignoring facts. Prove me he was a SSJ. Oh look at his aura. He had SSJ aura since he was SSJ, simple.

[quote=GridZero,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]You know what's funny about this guy's argument?

He believes that Gohan was an SSJ2 during his fight with Broly, when there's no lightning, but he doesn't believe Gohan was SSJ2 vs. Dabura because there's no lightning.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.[quote] Reasons to why I KNOW Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Broly: Toei doesn't always use lightening. They neglected the lightening in the Kid Buu's fight and in Movies 12 and 13. Gohan had a diffrent hair style in movie 10 implyingg Toei still considered his hair as a factor. Toriyama's design proves ehe was a SSJ2 since it shows two diffrent forms. Gohan had a plae skin (evidence to the SSJ2 in the Anime). He had the badass look. He was angry in movie 10 after seeing Goten, Trunks and Videl half dead which is probably basd on his anger after he saw Videl being beaten by Spopovich and the movie shows Gohan was angry before he transformed vs Broly and he even had that badass scream of the Japanese dub which symbolizes his hidden powers.

Now, in the Manga every SSJ2 has lightening and Gohan never had one of the things I mentioned about Broly vs Gohan in the Anime or Manga. Got the point now? ;)

[quote=Teen GohanZ ,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]I actually do have SSj2 Teen Gohan a little under half as weak as Cell Games SSj2 Gohan due to the rage boost I give him and small SSj2 multiplier.

I don't use that explanation though, it can't be a power thing because he had sparks at the tournament.[quote] Being weaker so you don't have lightening is PIS. Gohan was weaker not weak. I am pretyy sure if Goten would have gone SSJ2 he would have had lightening and we know SSJ2 Adult Gohan>>>>Theortically SSJ2 Goten.

Adult Gohan is above injuried Gohan and lost 30% at best IMO.

[quote=Chou Supa Saiyajin Suri,May 28 2012, 08:09 PM]I couldn't agree more.[quote] Reasons to why I KNOW Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Broly: Toei doesn't always use lightening. They neglected the lightening in the Kid Buu's fight and in Movies 12 and 13. Gohan had a diffrent hair style in movie 10 implyingg Toei still considered his hair as a factor. Toriyama's design proves ehe was a SSJ2 since it shows two diffrent forms. Gohan had a plae skin (evidence to the SSJ2 in the Anime). He had the badass look. He was angry in movie 10 after seeing Goten, Trunks and Videl half dead which is probably basd on his anger after he saw Videl being beaten by Spopovich and the movie shows Gohan was angry before he transformed vs Broly and he even had that badass scream of the Japanese dub which symbolizes his hidden powers.

Now, in the Manga every SSJ2 has lightening and Gohan never had one of the things I mentioned about Broly vs Gohan in the Anime or Manga. Got the point now? ;)







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Pal, no offence, but I'll just say this.

All you have to realize is despite how much importance you have on your opinions, all you have to realize is its just an opinion, somethin not everyone should or must agree with.

As majority of them have mentioned, I'm sayin that Gohan was indeed a SSJ2 against Dabura.
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