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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,119 Views)
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Can't believe a topic that has been discussed so often in the past has managed to get 3 pages of responses. People believe what they want on this topic, even though I personally think that there's more evidence for SSJ2 you can believe that he was SSJ if you want. Just don't expect people to change their minds on this because they won't.

Also pakl you need to stop double/triple posting. You can put everything in one post and double posting is against the rules.
Edited by Copy_Ninja, May 26 2012, 06:57 AM.
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May 26 2012, 06:43 AM
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May 25 2012, 04:17 PM
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May 25 2012, 04:13 PM
Lightning is important factor for SSJ2 ? So you whant to say that Gohan movie 10 was actualy SSJ ?

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Daizenshuu says that he is SSJ2. So concpet art is wrong or ?
Anime is not Manga and of course Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Broly. I even made a thread proving it. Anime neglects the lightening but the Manga doesn't. For example SSJ2 Vegeta had no lightening vs Kid Buu but he did have in the Manga since every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga. Using non canon is baseless.
In Anime you can be SSJ2 without lightening since you have pale skin. spikier hair and abadass look. Gohan never had that look nor pale skin when he fought Dabura not even in the Anime.

Gohan was a SSJ in the Manga when he battled the Demon King=FACT!!!!
You can't wave away Toriyama's own art for the difference between MSSJ and SSJ2 Gohan. Toriyama drew that concept art. And he didn't put lightning in it. It was used in both anime and manga, and drawn by Akira Toriyama for DBZ. It should be canon.

Subtle differences between MSSJ and SSJ2 in that picture:

- SSJ2 has more spikes in the hair for Gohan
- SSJ2 has one long bang, as opposed to MSSJ having one long bang and one short bang
- SSJ2 has more lines in the hair, as opposed to MSSJ having much less lines in the hair
- The eyes are a bit more condensed, or furrowed downwards, in SSJ2. Generally, a fiercer look on the face.

Golden Fighter Gohan 1
Golden Fighter Gohan 2
Golden Fighter Gohan 3

Notice how the hair is much less detailed (less lines drawn in it), and how there are not as many spikes in it. And of course, the two bangs. This all points to Gohan obviously being MSSJ

SSJ2 Gohan at Budokai

Notice how much more spikes there are in his hair compared to his MSSJ form. Furthermore, his eyes are much more furrowed downwards, and his face is fiercer. Now, compare that picture to:

Daiz Gohan Concept Art

In the lower right is MSSJ Gohan smiling. Right above that is a fiercer looking SSJ2 Gohan. Notice how that pic of Gohan is almost exactly the same as the picture of SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai, except with different clothing. The posture, the look, the hair, and even the position of the head is exactly the same.

Gohan at Dabra 1
Gohan at Dabra 2

Notice the telltale signs:

- More spikes than Golden Fighter Gohan
- Fiercer look
- One long bang

So the artwork is actually going a bit against you. Furthermore, the lightning is inconsistent, and was not even shown in the concept art, with Toriyama himself drew. Chances are Toriyama just got tired of drawing lightning all the time, so decided to just keep it out.

"You can't wave away Toriyama's own art for the difference between MSSJ and SSJ2 Gohan. Toriyama drew that concept art. And he didn't put lightning in it. It was used in both anime and manga, and drawn by Akira Toriyama for DBZ. It should be canon. "

AT designed it for the Anime not for the Manga. So movies are canon now? The lightening don't always appear in the Anime and Movies but the Manga always shows the lightening.

I like when you don't even bother to read my explaination. Gohan had two bangs stand as a SSJ in the Great Saiyaman Saga. I already explained in my post that AT drew SSJ2 and SSJ Goahn with 1 bnag stands during the World Tourment, this is why he had one bang stands when he saw Videl getting beaten and was a SSJ.

Gohan had pale skin, sharper aura and sipke hair when he fought Broly yet he never had those signs when he fought Dabura. Every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga and Gohan didn't since he was a SSJ. AT drew Gohan's hair with one bang since the World Tourment. Gohan never even had the badass look vs Dabura like he did vs Broly hence he was a SSJ, it's a fact. Don't compare Movies and Anime to Manga. In the Movies and Anime the lightening are neglecyted but every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga. Toriyama drew it in the Anime and Movies for Toei, not in the Manga so it's diffrent and AT never got tired this is just your excuse. If he did so why did he use lightening for Goku and Magin Vegeta at the same time Gohan was attacking Buu's shell??
Did you not see this:

Daiz Gohan Concept Art
SSJ2 Gohan at Budokai

The pictures of SSJ2 Gohan are almost exactly the same in both. I'm pretty sure Toriyama either used the sheet for reference for drawing Gohan in the manga, or vice versa.
No, he used the SSJ2 form for movie 10 not for the Manga. He used lightening in the Manga.
You obviously have not compared the two pictures.
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May 26 2012, 06:57 AM
Can't believe a topic that has been discussed so often in the past has managed to get 3 pages of responses. People believe what they want on this topic, even though I personally think that there's more evidence for SSJ2 you can believe that he was SSJ if you want. Just don't expect people to change their minds on this because they won't.

Also pakl you need to stop double/triple posting. You can put everything in one post and double posting is against the rules.
I am still waiting to see a prof he was a SSJ2. I saw nothing while I showed facts from the Manga he was a SSJ.
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May 26 2012, 03:02 PM
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May 26 2012, 06:43 AM
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May 26 2012, 02:54 AM
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May 25 2012, 05:19 PM
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May 25 2012, 04:55 PM
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May 25 2012, 04:17 PM
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May 25 2012, 04:13 PM
Lightning is important factor for SSJ2 ? So you whant to say that Gohan movie 10 was actualy SSJ ?

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Daizenshuu says that he is SSJ2. So concpet art is wrong or ?
Anime is not Manga and of course Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Broly. I even made a thread proving it. Anime neglects the lightening but the Manga doesn't. For example SSJ2 Vegeta had no lightening vs Kid Buu but he did have in the Manga since every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga. Using non canon is baseless.
In Anime you can be SSJ2 without lightening since you have pale skin. spikier hair and abadass look. Gohan never had that look nor pale skin when he fought Dabura not even in the Anime.

Gohan was a SSJ in the Manga when he battled the Demon King=FACT!!!!
You can't wave away Toriyama's own art for the difference between MSSJ and SSJ2 Gohan. Toriyama drew that concept art. And he didn't put lightning in it. It was used in both anime and manga, and drawn by Akira Toriyama for DBZ. It should be canon.

Subtle differences between MSSJ and SSJ2 in that picture:

- SSJ2 has more spikes in the hair for Gohan
- SSJ2 has one long bang, as opposed to MSSJ having one long bang and one short bang
- SSJ2 has more lines in the hair, as opposed to MSSJ having much less lines in the hair
- The eyes are a bit more condensed, or furrowed downwards, in SSJ2. Generally, a fiercer look on the face.

Golden Fighter Gohan 1
Golden Fighter Gohan 2
Golden Fighter Gohan 3

Notice how the hair is much less detailed (less lines drawn in it), and how there are not as many spikes in it. And of course, the two bangs. This all points to Gohan obviously being MSSJ

SSJ2 Gohan at Budokai

Notice how much more spikes there are in his hair compared to his MSSJ form. Furthermore, his eyes are much more furrowed downwards, and his face is fiercer. Now, compare that picture to:

Daiz Gohan Concept Art

In the lower right is MSSJ Gohan smiling. Right above that is a fiercer looking SSJ2 Gohan. Notice how that pic of Gohan is almost exactly the same as the picture of SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai, except with different clothing. The posture, the look, the hair, and even the position of the head is exactly the same.

Gohan at Dabra 1
Gohan at Dabra 2

Notice the telltale signs:

- More spikes than Golden Fighter Gohan
- Fiercer look
- One long bang

So the artwork is actually going a bit against you. Furthermore, the lightning is inconsistent, and was not even shown in the concept art, with Toriyama himself drew. Chances are Toriyama just got tired of drawing lightning all the time, so decided to just keep it out.

"You can't wave away Toriyama's own art for the difference between MSSJ and SSJ2 Gohan. Toriyama drew that concept art. And he didn't put lightning in it. It was used in both anime and manga, and drawn by Akira Toriyama for DBZ. It should be canon. "

AT designed it for the Anime not for the Manga. So movies are canon now? The lightening don't always appear in the Anime and Movies but the Manga always shows the lightening.

I like when you don't even bother to read my explaination. Gohan had two bangs stand as a SSJ in the Great Saiyaman Saga. I already explained in my post that AT drew SSJ2 and SSJ Goahn with 1 bnag stands during the World Tourment, this is why he had one bang stands when he saw Videl getting beaten and was a SSJ.

Gohan had pale skin, sharper aura and sipke hair when he fought Broly yet he never had those signs when he fought Dabura. Every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga and Gohan didn't since he was a SSJ. AT drew Gohan's hair with one bang since the World Tourment. Gohan never even had the badass look vs Dabura like he did vs Broly hence he was a SSJ, it's a fact. Don't compare Movies and Anime to Manga. In the Movies and Anime the lightening are neglecyted but every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga. Toriyama drew it in the Anime and Movies for Toei, not in the Manga so it's diffrent and AT never got tired this is just your excuse. If he did so why did he use lightening for Goku and Magin Vegeta at the same time Gohan was attacking Buu's shell??
Did you not see this:

Daiz Gohan Concept Art
SSJ2 Gohan at Budokai

The pictures of SSJ2 Gohan are almost exactly the same in both. I'm pretty sure Toriyama either used the sheet for reference for drawing Gohan in the manga, or vice versa.
No, he used the SSJ2 form for movie 10 not for the Manga. He used lightening in the Manga.
You obviously have not compared the two pictures.
Movies and Anime are non canon and don't always use lightening since there are other aspects that can prove the character is a SSJ2 like the pale skin, badasss hair and the spike and sharp aura. Gohan never had those aspects like he did vs Broly so he was a SSJ. It's so simple.
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Wait, you think Gohan was an SSJ, and not a SSJ2 during his fight with Broly in Movie 10?

Lol.
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Gohan was a SSj2 against Broly. The concept art easily showers light on that subject. Toei rarely gives lightning to SSj2's. Just look at Movies 12 and 13, and half the occurances in the anime. Gohan had a more radical aura against Broly and he had a cold, emotionless expression on his countenance like he did against Cell and Bojack. He was a SSj2, unless you think M10 SSj Gohan > M8 LSSj Broly.
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May 26 2012, 10:38 PM
Gohan was a SSj2 against Broly. The concept art easily showers light on that subject. Toei rarely gives lightning to SSj2's. Just look at Movies 12 and 13, and half the occurances in the anime. Gohan had a more radical aura against Broly and he had a cold, emotionless expression on his countenance like he did against Cell and Bojack. He was a SSj2, unless you think M10 SSj Gohan > M8 LSSj Broly.
Quite frankly, I agree. Although I doubt either of us will sway his opinion on the matter.
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May 26 2012, 10:39 PM
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Gohan was a SSj2 against Broly. The concept art easily showers light on that subject. Toei rarely gives lightning to SSj2's. Just look at Movies 12 and 13, and half the occurances in the anime. Gohan had a more radical aura against Broly and he had a cold, emotionless expression on his countenance like he did against Cell and Bojack. He was a SSj2, unless you think M10 SSj Gohan > M8 LSSj Broly.
Quite frankly, I agree. Although I doubt either of us will sway his opinion on the matter.
Like I said, the only way he can think Gohan was a SSj is if he thinks M10 SSj Gohan > M8 LSSj Broly. If he thinks Gohan got weaker, then he cannot go this route by default, and his entire belief is shredded.
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I think he was a Super Saiyan, but I have no quarrel with people thinking otherwise, as long as they don't act as if it's a fact. I think there are equal points and counter-points for each side when it comes down to it.
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Toriyama should've made SSJ2's appearance very different from SSJ1 so we could tell what form Gohan utilized to fight Dabura and pull out the z-sowrd.
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I don't think he wanted to spend much work on making it different.

Toriyama made SSJ with ''yellow'' hair so him and his assistants wouldn't have to spend all that time inking the hair. That, and to enforce that something inside Goku had changed.
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May 26 2012, 10:32 PM
Wait, you think Gohan was an SSJ, and not a SSJ2 during his fight with Broly in Movie 10?

Lol.
Gohan was a SSJ2 in movie 10
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May 28 2012, 02:36 PM
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May 26 2012, 10:32 PM
Wait, you think Gohan was an SSJ, and not a SSJ2 during his fight with Broly in Movie 10?

Lol.
Gohan was a SSJ2 in movie 10
Yeah, lol. I was just checking to make sure.
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Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

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May 28 2012, 04:38 PM
Wait someone explain to me why would gohan only use SSJ against some like dabura when he has the ability to go ssj2.

It's a logic contradiction.

Dabura is beating him and trying to kill him, and you're trying to tell me he won't save his life by going SSJ2?

Lol.
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