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| + Clearin | May 25 2012, 03:29 PM Post #16 |
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Hey I have an idea. Let's let the SSj2 believers think Gohan was a SSj2, and the MSSj believers think Gohan was a MSSj! Oh wait I forgot, the DBZ fanbase isn't that nice. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 25 2012, 03:30 PM Post #17 |
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I just put him as SSJ2 now because it's easier. I think AT wanted to make Gohan look weak and unimpressive, which is why his aura is different and there's no lightning. Plus, I don't see why Gohan would bother staying as SSJ when he was struggling, he'd just powerup further and finish it. Also, Goku would have said something to Vegeta about Gohan holding back a whole other form when he was defending his son's performance. This doesn't matter too much in the grand scheme of thing either, the only person it impacts is Dabura's strength. Also, wrong section again...... @TGZ: Obviously, apparently everything is serious business when you're on the internet. Edited by Copy_Ninja, May 25 2012, 03:32 PM.
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May 25 2012, 03:31 PM Post #18 |
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This guy's opinion obviously isn't going to be changed on the matter, so it's useless to keep posting. |
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May 25 2012, 03:50 PM Post #19 |
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As for my view on this debate, I don't think Toriyama not giving SSJ2 Gohan lightning later on was meant to be taken as an "accident" or a "mistake". I think it was done purposely to represent the power difference between Gohan's SSJ2 with Goku & Vegeta's. Since he's shown that when a SSJ2 is at a lower level of power they're drawn with a weaker aura, and conversely, at a higher level of power, they have a stronger aura with added lightning bolts. It's not so different from how the previous SSJ had different auras depending on their power output. To be honest, I don't think Toriyama originally intended to draw SSj2 Gohan in a stronger aura with lightning for that arc, since he doesn't include it during Videl's match. I think he made the exception against Kibito because the importance of the scene warranted his Ki to be embellished for dramatic effect. Gohans concept art is 1 bang SSJ2, 2 bangs SSJ. You cant change concpet by will. Thing here is that Gohan always had 2 bangs in base which means 2 bangs with gold hair is SSJ. The point in the Buu arc where SSj2 Gohan's power was probably at its highest was here, when he's clearly giving it his all: ![]() After that Kaioshin is confident in Gohan to relise Z sword. He even made statment that Gohan that he saw > Gohan that Kibito saw in powers. Unless you still think that lightning is important factor than you get : SSJ2 Nappa, SSJ2 Vegeta before going SSJ2 against SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Perfect Cell, SSJ2 Vegetto. This one is clearly proof of weak SSJ2. Btw like i already sad Gohan neaded to look diffrent compered to those 2. ![]() Gohan in the Buu arc is a special case, since he is the only one to have neglected his training all those years which detrimented him greatly. Therefore, it wouldn't be sensible to view him as some equivalent with Goku and Vegeta. |
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May 25 2012, 03:53 PM Post #20 |
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May 25 2012, 03:55 PM Post #21 |
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"And Daizenshuu 2 doesn't even list Kibito vs. Gohan as a battle." It still says Gohan only went SSJ2 in the World Tourment. So the Daiz is unrealible, it contradicts the Manga and also contradicts itself. |
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May 25 2012, 04:00 PM Post #22 |
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" I think AT wanted to make Gohan look weak and unimpressive, which is why his aura is different and there's no lightning." So why did he have lightening vs Kibito?? " Plus, I don't see why Gohan would bother staying as SSJ when he was struggling, he'd just powerup further and finish it. Also, Goku would have said something to Vegeta about Gohan holding back a whole other form when he was defending his son's performance." He was not angry enough and Goku told Gohan that he held back before he went with Kaioshin to Buu's shell and told him to get angry so he can go SSJ2. Gohan had no lightening when he released the Z sword as well. He was a SSJ. If he was a SSJ2 so why did Dabura (who said Gohan is trash and can easily beat him implying he is much stronger than Gohan) barely inflicted any damage to Buu's shell??? That proves Dabura was not SSJ2. It's a Manga fact and Goku explained the diffrence between SSJ2 to SSJ for Buu, yet people still argue over it. |
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May 25 2012, 04:01 PM Post #23 |
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I already posted facts from the Manga which prove he was a SSJ besides there is no proof he was a SSJ2. Goku already explained the diffrence between SSJ to SSJ2 to Buu. He had no lightening so he is not SSJ2. |
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May 25 2012, 04:06 PM Post #24 |
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"To be honest, I don't think Toriyama originally intended to draw SSj2 Gohan in a stronger aura with lightning for that arc, since he doesn't include it during Videl's match. I think he made the exception against Kibito because the importance of the scene warranted his Ki to be embellished for dramatic effect." This is actually true in the Anime not Manga. AT is not Toei. And having no lightening because Gohan got weaker is a fan theory based on nothing "Gohans concept art is 1 bang SSJ2, 2 bangs SSJ." I already explained in my post that AT drew Gohan as a SSJ and SSJ2 with one bang stand during the time of the world tourment. Gohan had no lightening and had no SSJ2 aura as well. He had a SSJ aura. Vegeta had no lightening because he was weakened fron the fight and was powered down, also I hate when people say Gohan was WEAK, he was not weak, he was just weaker than 7 years before. Vegeta had no lightening because he was weakened from the fight and powered down. Gohan was at full power and just fine when he began to fight Dabura yet he had SSJ aura and had no lightening hence he was a SSJ. Edited by pakl123456, May 25 2012, 04:09 PM.
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May 25 2012, 04:13 PM Post #25 |
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Lightning is important factor for SSJ2 ? So you whant to say that Gohan movie 10 was actualy SSJ ?![]() ![]() Daizenshuu says that he is SSJ2. So concpet art is wrong or ? |
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May 25 2012, 04:17 PM Post #26 |
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Anime is not Manga and of course Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Broly. I even made a thread proving it. Anime neglects the lightening but the Manga doesn't. For example SSJ2 Vegeta had no lightening vs Kid Buu but he did have in the Manga since every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga. Using non canon is baseless. In Anime you can be SSJ2 without lightening since you have pale skin. spikier hair and abadass look. Gohan never had that look nor pale skin when he fought Dabura not even in the Anime. Gohan was a SSJ in the Manga when he battled the Demon King=FACT!!!! |
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May 25 2012, 04:20 PM Post #27 |
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Man it doesnt matter if its animated. Concept art for SSJ2 Gohan doesnt have lightning. By your theory Gohan in movie 10 is not SSJ2 because he doesnt have lighning. Even if its anime concpet art doesnt show SSJ2 lightning.
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| + Clearin | May 25 2012, 04:21 PM Post #28 |
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It's more of an opinion than a fact. You can think that if you want, I don't have a problem with it. |
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May 25 2012, 04:23 PM Post #29 |
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Toei is not AT. In the Anime the lightening are not necessary sometimes. Movies 10,12 and 13 and the fight ith Buu. All of that eevents in the Anime show no lightening since toei neglects it. In the Anime you can have pale skin and spikier hair and a badass look and you are a SSJ2. Gohan had no one of those signs not even when he fought Dabura in the Anime. Every SSJ2 has lightening in the Manga and Gohan didn't because he was a SSJ. I can't understand why do you insist he was a SSJ2 if there is no fact for it and The Manga even shows all the facts to prove he was a SSJ including the deign which is the last word. |
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May 25 2012, 04:25 PM Post #30 |
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Hmm, The Manga supports he was a SSJ according to his design so it's kind of more fact than an opinion. I just go according to the Manga and what it shows, and it showed Gohan was designed as a SSJ when he fought Dabura. |
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