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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,105 Views)
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LOL...

He said he was mad because of the one panel where he's probably just concentrating.

Amazing.
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May 30 2012, 07:18 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:14 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:13 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:08 PM
I'm just going to elaborate on my last post.

Gohan did not need rage to turn into a super saiyan 2.

He was not mad when he turned Super Saiyan 2 for Kibito.

And lets just say he was mad at Kibito for whatever reason. Why would he be more mad at some stranger asking him to turn Super Saiyan 2 rather than the guy who turned his 2 best friends into statues and was now attempting to kill him?

Think he's MSSj if you want but it's clear that he doesn't need anger to turn Super Saiyan 2, and if he does then he'd be more angry at Dabura and Buu than at Kibito.

That's the last time I'll say that, if you still want to think Gohan needs anger AND he was more angry at Kibito then go ahead.
I am not saying he was angry vs Kibito at that moment when he fought him. I am saying he had the anger wth him after seeing Videl's beatdown. That made his emotions too strong so jhe was able to go SSJ2, That's all. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was mad after seeing Videl?? It's for a reason don't you think?? :=]:
Yes he was mad when Videl was getting beat up but right before he turned Super Saiyan 2 he was completely calm.

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He probably thinks that this is mad while its pretty obvious nervous mode.

Why did Vegeta sad that he got weaker if he was enraged like in Cell games ?

Why did he sad same thing while Gohan fought Dabura ? Pretty obvious that he talks about Gohans SSJ2 power ( without anger ).

He even sad in ship how Gohans frenzy mode could surpass them all, but pakl just dont get it.


If he was mad on world tournament, Vegeta would never sad something about his anger surpassing Goku and Vegeta in powers.
Look when he tells Kibito he will go SSJ2. He has a strange exprssion and it's shown angry.

Wow. Vegeta said Gohan was weaker and he was weaker as a SSJ. That proves nothing. Gohan can also get mad as a SSJ. Vegeta never even said he was angry in the tourment and what's your point??
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May 30 2012, 07:23 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:22 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:14 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:13 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:08 PM
I'm just going to elaborate on my last post.

Gohan did not need rage to turn into a super saiyan 2.

He was not mad when he turned Super Saiyan 2 for Kibito.

And lets just say he was mad at Kibito for whatever reason. Why would he be more mad at some stranger asking him to turn Super Saiyan 2 rather than the guy who turned his 2 best friends into statues and was now attempting to kill him?

Think he's MSSj if you want but it's clear that he doesn't need anger to turn Super Saiyan 2, and if he does then he'd be more angry at Dabura and Buu than at Kibito.

That's the last time I'll say that, if you still want to think Gohan needs anger AND he was more angry at Kibito then go ahead.
I am not saying he was angry vs Kibito at that moment when he fought him. I am saying he had the anger wth him after seeing Videl's beatdown. That made his emotions too strong so jhe was able to go SSJ2, That's all. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was mad after seeing Videl?? It's for a reason don't you think?? :=]:
Yes he was mad when Videl was getting beat up but right before he turned Super Saiyan 2 he was completely calm.

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Does that look mad to you?
Look for the next panels when he looks pretty seerious and had an angry expression when he transfornmed. he had the angry with him and showed it when he transformed.

http://www.mangareader.net/105-3094-3/dragon-ball/chapter-445.html
A lot of characters have a serious face when they transform regardless of their current mood.
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That doesn't look a mad expression. He was just shown transforming. ohan had an angry expression when he told him he will go SSJ2. Also, Gohan was shown like that since he released his inner power IMO.

GridZeroMay 30 2012, 07:23 PM
 
He said he was mad because of the one panel where he's probably just concentrating.

Amazing.
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I am talking about when he told him he will go SSJ2. He looked pretty angry and about to release his hidden powers (which can be released when he is angry) Also, Gohan was going SSJ2 for a long time and was shown really angry during his transformations since he released his hidden powers (SSJ2).
Edited by pakl123456, May 30 2012, 07:32 PM.
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Chapter: 470 (DBZ 276), P5.2-4
Context: Kaioshin says the situation isn’t completely hopeless
Kibito: “Huh…!? You can’t mean…Does this have anything to do with Son Gohan…?”
Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…”
Kibito: “Wh-what!? That can’t be…”
Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…”

This quote implies that Gohan (At Dabra) >= Gohan (At Budokai).
Not quite sure about that, but this surely means Gohan wasn't holding back.
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May 30 2012, 07:33 PM
Chapter: 470 (DBZ 276), P5.2-4
Context: Kaioshin says the situation isn’t completely hopeless
Kibito: “Huh…!? You can’t mean…Does this have anything to do with Son Gohan…?”
Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…”
Kibito: “Wh-what!? That can’t be…”
Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…”

This quote implies that Gohan (At Dabra) >= Gohan (At Budokai).
Not quite sure about that, but this surely means Gohan wasn't holding back.
Kaioshin also aid "you can know how sttrong those three saiyans were" Kaioshin never saw SSJ2 Goku and Magin Vegeta. He onlt saw Base Vegeta and was surprised even more than he was when he saw SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai. I guess Base Vegeta>SSJ2 Gohan now. :D

Kaioshin just meant to the fact that Kibito never saw how they beat Babidi's henchmen and their skills. That's all. A;so even if Gohan was a SSJ2 (he was not) he should have the same power since he was not angry enough so your point is not thtat proof he was a SSJ2.
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Kaioshin also aid "you can know how sttrong those three saiyans were" Kaioshin never saw SSJ2 Goku and Magin Vegeta.

He sensed them. He knew they were having an even battle after all.
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Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.”

This quote pretty much says : Gohans power that Kaioshin saw > Gohans power that Kibito saw on world tournament.
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This thread has devolved considerably. Come on, guys. Show some courtesy and just drop it.
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May 30 2012, 07:38 PM
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Kaioshin also aid "you can know how sttrong those three saiyans were" Kaioshin never saw SSJ2 Goku and Magin Vegeta.

He sensed them. He knew they were having an even battle after all.
He actually asked why was Buu getting that strong and Gohan answered (which by the way is a proof Gohan was a SSJ) Nowhere was it stated he sensed them.
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May 30 2012, 07:38 PM
Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.”

This quote pretty much says : Gohans power that Kaioshin saw > Gohans power that Kibito saw on world tournament.
How if he was not mad enough. Kaioshin talked about their skills and the fact they were able to beat Babidi's henchmen. He was also aware about Gohan's anger. When Kaioshin said "you were dead blah blah blah" he wanted to say that Gohan, Goku and Vegeta were above the Kais since Kibito said he was a mortal implying he is weaker than the Kais. pay attention to the context. Kaioshin thought they need to gang up on Pui Pui and was amazed Vegeta beat him. Does that mean Base Vegeta>SSJ2 Gohan since Kaioshin already sensed SSJ2 Gohan. You are twisting the statement. He said that simple since Gohan, Goku and Vegeta were overall stronger than the Kais. This point is debunked.
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Supreme Kai did see Majin SSJ Vegeta remember, not just base.
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How is he talking about skill if its clearly saying tremendous power ?

Now you say that Kaioshin is idiot and cant sence Gohans power, right ?

Btw its powered up for Kamehameha > only transformed. He doesnt nead to be mad to relise more power. Get that in your head already.

Unless you belive that SSJ2 Gohan + kamehameha = SSJ2 Gohan ?
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May 30 2012, 07:54 PM
Supreme Kai did see Majin SSJ Vegeta remember, not just base.
Okay, but not SSJ2 Vegeta unless you think SSJ Goku>SSJ2 Gohan? Also, look at what I told Super Vegetto. I debunked this point.
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unless you think SSJ Goku>SSJ2 Gohan?

Yes I do.
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May 30 2012, 07:57 PM
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Supreme Kai did see Majin SSJ Vegeta remember, not just base.
Okay, but not SSJ2 Vegeta unless you think SSJ Goku>SSJ2 Gohan? Also, look at what I told Super Vegetto. I debunked this point.
No, you didn't. >_>

Kibito was already aware the Saiya-Jin were FAR above him.
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