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Why Gohan was a SSJ vs Dabura
Topic Started: May 25 2012, 01:28 PM (35,111 Views)
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Why bring me into this? I'd be cool with it either way. :(
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May 29 2012, 06:07 PM
Can I give you my point? Can I?


Kaioshin knew Gohan's full power, because he saw him as a Super Saiya-Jin 2 at the Budokai. So if Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin, Kaioshin would probably have told him to go all out so Boo couldn't gain energy.

That's just my opinion obv. <3
She's got a point & Im leanin more towards this.

If you still persist, then its up to you dude...
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In relation to what Puccio said, how are we to know that Gohan at the Budokai was at full power? After all he just says he'll go further beyond the Super Saiyan wall, not that he'll go all out.

And cheers Pyro.
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May 30 2012, 04:24 AM
In relation to what Puccio said, how are we to know that Gohan at the Budokai was at full power? After all he just says he'll go further beyond the Super Saiyan wall, not that he'll go all out.

And cheers Pyro.
Which could tie in to Kaioshin's statement.
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Dabura is coky and judged Buu's appearance. Goku said his ki was incredible when he first hatched, which proves Gohan was wrong.

Dabura made a direct comment to his power
Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”
The comment involves Buu's appearance, brains AND power. Buu even has to power up before attacking Dabura, why would he do that if his current power was already far above Dabura?

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Fat Buu=Good Buu at his calmest might be a fact.

No it isn't. Never stated at all.

Edited becuase I said "Both" and listed 3 things lol.
So maybe he really had to power up since he just hatced and was highly suppressed. Still doesn't prove Gohan was a SSJ2.

Son Gohan
May 29 2012, 08:50 PM
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Gohan was bit injured, putting it mildly. So injured that he lost more than half his power. So it's kind of understandable that he had trouble reaching full power.

Gohan was injried but that's not why he couldn't reach full power. Gohan was not angry enough and he was not against Dabura as well. Goku pushed him to transform and release his full power. His full power is his SSJ2.

- He had the anger with him about Videl. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was angry when he saw Videl getting beaten. Gohan was shown angry when he first tranformed. Look at his expressions. Gohan gained the form through rage and never mastered it after the Cell Games so of course he has to be angry.
- Gohan was actually holding back against Cell and didn't want to fight when he said "I don't like fighting" Gohan was not able to use full power vs Cell since he was not angry enough and Goku had to push him to his limits so it's the same thing.
- So what? They don't have to say it when t's obvious when you look at his aura. Goku actually did tell Gohan to get mad and release all of his full power. What was Gohan's full power? SSJ2.
- So Buu was highly suppressed. Good, it says nothing about SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan basically said he thinks he can beat him if he reaches SSJ2.

Ninjajp247
May 29 2012, 08:50 PM
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i have always personally believed gohan was drawn MSSj here, but seeing as he is sweating and oging full power, and vegeta + goku keep making disparaging remarks about his power, its pretty clear they think hes supposed to be soemthing stronger than what he is. Goku clearly states he thinks dabra is at Cells level, and then later recants by saying that he was even stronger than he thought previous. No questions, this happened.

No way is gohan whom vegeta said is WAYYY below his kid self at Cell, is going to fight someone as strong as cell or stronger in their SSJ form. if thats true?

Then that mean we are wrong about EVERYTHING in the buu saga and have the wrong power levels for everyone. Cause if goku can talk about cell like he's yesterdays news and then say the guy he compared him to is even STRONGER ? then that means that both goku and vegeta can now beat up cell in MSSJ.
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He was MSSJ. Goku said Dabura is Cell's level but could of meant to the Cell he fought since he even said it will be easy to kill Dabura and "easy" means he only needs SSJ so he probably talked about his SSJ. This is why Goku said Dabura was stronger than he thought since Gohan was a SSJ and was also losing. Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can easily beat him. Dabura was much stronger than Gohan since Gohan was SSJ. Hell, SSJ2 Gohan should inflict a lot of damage to the cacoon and he never did which proves he was a SSJ. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ no?? Gohan's hair as SSJ and SSJ2 was the same during the world tourment so this is a moot point.

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May 29 2012, 08:50 PM
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Yeah, I've gone by this mindset for a while now. Toriyama clearly drew him as a Super Saiyan, but wrote the story as if he was a Super Saiyan 2. It's an eternal battle of art against narrative, and we'll probably never know the answer, but it's fun to debate most of the time anyway.
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No statement which proves he was a SSJ2. Goku could of meant to the Cell he fought since he said beating Dabura is easy and SSJ2 was not famous at that time. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. AT already said he was a SSJ by showing his design.

Super Gohan
May 29 2012, 08:50 PM
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Completely untrue, unless you're willing to provide evidence for that bald claim.

You'd be well advised not to casually pass off something as fact for only self-serving justification, there's no need for that.
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He had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2 by the time of the world tourment. Look at his hair when he got pissed after seeing Videl's beatdown. He had one bang stands and was a SSJ.


Quoting limited to 10 levels deep
Quoting limited to 10 levels deepDabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”
Quoting limited to 10 levels deepDabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”[quote=Teen GohanZ,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Dabura is coky and judged Buu's appearance. Goku said his ki was incredible when he first hatched, which proves Gohan was wrong. [/quote]
Dabura made a direct comment to his power
[i]Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”[/i]
The comment involves Buu's appearance, brains AND power. Buu even has to power up before attacking Dabura, why would he do that if his current power was already far above Dabura?

[quote]Fat Buu=Good Buu at his calmest might be a fact. [/quote]
No it isn't. Never stated at all.

Edited becuase I said "Both" and listed 3 things lol.[/quote]So maybe he really had to power up since he just hatced and was highly suppressed. Still doesn't prove Gohan was a SSJ2.

[quote=Son Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Gohan was bit injured, putting it mildly. So injured that he lost more than half his power. So it's kind of understandable that he had trouble reaching full power. [/quote]
Gohan was injried but that's not why he couldn't reach full power. Gohan was not angry enough and he was not against Dabura as well. Goku pushed him to transform and release his full power. His full power is his SSJ2.

- He had the anger with him about Videl. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was angry when he saw Videl getting beaten. Gohan was shown angry when he first tranformed. Look at his expressions. Gohan gained the form through rage and never mastered it after the Cell Games so of course he has to be angry.
- Gohan was actually holding back against Cell and didn't want to fight when he said "I don't like fighting" Gohan was not able to use full power vs Cell since he was not angry enough and Goku had to push him to his limits so it's the same thing.
- So what? They don't have to say it when t's obvious when you look at his aura. Goku actually did tell Gohan to get mad and release all of his full power. What was Gohan's full power? SSJ2.
- So Buu was highly suppressed. Good, it says nothing about SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan basically said he thinks he can beat him if he reaches SSJ2.

[quote=Ninjajp247,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]i have always personally believed gohan was drawn MSSj here, but seeing as he is sweating and oging full power, and vegeta + goku keep making disparaging remarks about his power, its pretty clear they think hes supposed to be soemthing stronger than what he is. Goku clearly states he thinks dabra is at Cells level, and then later recants by saying that he was even stronger than he thought previous. No questions, this happened.

No way is gohan whom vegeta said is WAYYY below his kid self at Cell, is going to fight someone as strong as cell or stronger in their SSJ form. if thats true?

Then that mean we are wrong about EVERYTHING in the buu saga and have the wrong power levels for everyone. Cause if goku can talk about cell like he's yesterdays news and then say the guy he compared him to is even STRONGER ? then that means that both goku and vegeta can now beat up cell in MSSJ.[quote]

He was MSSJ. Goku said Dabura is Cell's level but could of meant to the Cell he fought since he even said it will be easy to kill Dabura and "easy" means he only needs SSJ so he probably talked about his SSJ. This is why Goku said Dabura was stronger than he thought since Gohan was a SSJ and was also losing. Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can easily beat him. Dabura was much stronger than Gohan since Gohan was SSJ. Hell, SSJ2 Gohan should inflict a lot of damage to the cacoon and he never did which proves he was a SSJ. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ no?? Gohan's hair as SSJ and SSJ2 was the same during the world tourment so this is a moot point.

[quote=Darth Pyrus,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Yeah, I've gone by this mindset for a while now. Toriyama clearly drew him as a Super Saiyan, but wrote the story as if he was a Super Saiyan 2. It's an eternal battle of art against narrative, and we'll probably never know the answer, but it's fun to debate most of the time anyway. [quote]

No statement which proves he was a SSJ2. Goku could of meant to the Cell he fought since he said beating Dabura is easy and SSJ2 was not famous at that time. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. AT already said he was a SSJ by showing his design.

[quote=Super Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Completely untrue, unless you're willing to provide evidence for that bald claim.

You'd be well advised not to casually pass off something as fact for only self-serving justification, there's no need for that. [quote]

He had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2 by the time of the world tourment. Look at his hair when he got pissed after seeing Videl's beatdown. He had one bang stands and was a SSJ.


Quoting limited to 10 levels deep
Quoting limited to 10 levels deep[i]Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”[/i][quote=Teen GohanZ,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Dabura is coky and judged Buu's appearance. Goku said his ki was incredible when he first hatched, which proves Gohan was wrong. [/quote]
Dabura made a direct comment to his power
[i]Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”[/i]
The comment involves Buu's appearance, brains AND power. Buu even has to power up before attacking Dabura, why would he do that if his current power was already far above Dabura?

[quote]Fat Buu=Good Buu at his calmest might be a fact. [/quote]
No it isn't. Never stated at all.

Edited becuase I said "Both" and listed 3 things lol.[/quote]So maybe he really had to power up since he just hatced and was highly suppressed. Still doesn't prove Gohan was a SSJ2.

[quote=Son Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Gohan was bit injured, putting it mildly. So injured that he lost more than half his power. So it's kind of understandable that he had trouble reaching full power. [/quote]
Gohan was injried but that's not why he couldn't reach full power. Gohan was not angry enough and he was not against Dabura as well. Goku pushed him to transform and release his full power. His full power is his SSJ2.

- He had the anger with him about Videl. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was angry when he saw Videl getting beaten. Gohan was shown angry when he first tranformed. Look at his expressions. Gohan gained the form through rage and never mastered it after the Cell Games so of course he has to be angry.
- Gohan was actually holding back against Cell and didn't want to fight when he said "I don't like fighting" Gohan was not able to use full power vs Cell since he was not angry enough and Goku had to push him to his limits so it's the same thing.
- So what? They don't have to say it when t's obvious when you look at his aura. Goku actually did tell Gohan to get mad and release all of his full power. What was Gohan's full power? SSJ2.
- So Buu was highly suppressed. Good, it says nothing about SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan basically said he thinks he can beat him if he reaches SSJ2.

[quote=Ninjajp247,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]i have always personally believed gohan was drawn MSSj here, but seeing as he is sweating and oging full power, and vegeta + goku keep making disparaging remarks about his power, its pretty clear they think hes supposed to be soemthing stronger than what he is. Goku clearly states he thinks dabra is at Cells level, and then later recants by saying that he was even stronger than he thought previous. No questions, this happened.

No way is gohan whom vegeta said is WAYYY below his kid self at Cell, is going to fight someone as strong as cell or stronger in their SSJ form. if thats true?

Then that mean we are wrong about EVERYTHING in the buu saga and have the wrong power levels for everyone. Cause if goku can talk about cell like he's yesterdays news and then say the guy he compared him to is even STRONGER ? then that means that both goku and vegeta can now beat up cell in MSSJ.[quote]

He was MSSJ. Goku said Dabura is Cell's level but could of meant to the Cell he fought since he even said it will be easy to kill Dabura and "easy" means he only needs SSJ so he probably talked about his SSJ. This is why Goku said Dabura was stronger than he thought since Gohan was a SSJ and was also losing. Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can easily beat him. Dabura was much stronger than Gohan since Gohan was SSJ. Hell, SSJ2 Gohan should inflict a lot of damage to the cacoon and he never did which proves he was a SSJ. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ no?? Gohan's hair as SSJ and SSJ2 was the same during the world tourment so this is a moot point.

[quote=Darth Pyrus,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Yeah, I've gone by this mindset for a while now. Toriyama clearly drew him as a Super Saiyan, but wrote the story as if he was a Super Saiyan 2. It's an eternal battle of art against narrative, and we'll probably never know the answer, but it's fun to debate most of the time anyway. [quote]

No statement which proves he was a SSJ2. Goku could of meant to the Cell he fought since he said beating Dabura is easy and SSJ2 was not famous at that time. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. AT already said he was a SSJ by showing his design.

[quote=Super Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Completely untrue, unless you're willing to provide evidence for that bald claim.

You'd be well advised not to casually pass off something as fact for only self-serving justification, there's no need for that. [quote]

He had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2 by the time of the world tourment. Look at his hair when he got pissed after seeing Videl's beatdown. He had one bang stands and was a SSJ.


Quoting limited to 10 levels deep[quote=Teen GohanZ,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Dabura is coky and judged Buu's appearance. Goku said his ki was incredible when he first hatched, which proves Gohan was wrong. [/quote]
Dabura made a direct comment to his power
[i]Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”[/i]
The comment involves Buu's appearance, brains AND power. Buu even has to power up before attacking Dabura, why would he do that if his current power was already far above Dabura?

[quote]Fat Buu=Good Buu at his calmest might be a fact. [/quote]
No it isn't. Never stated at all.

Edited becuase I said "Both" and listed 3 things lol.[/quote]So maybe he really had to power up since he just hatced and was highly suppressed. Still doesn't prove Gohan was a SSJ2.

[quote=Son Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Gohan was bit injured, putting it mildly. So injured that he lost more than half his power. So it's kind of understandable that he had trouble reaching full power. [/quote]
Gohan was injried but that's not why he couldn't reach full power. Gohan was not angry enough and he was not against Dabura as well. Goku pushed him to transform and release his full power. His full power is his SSJ2.

- He had the anger with him about Videl. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was angry when he saw Videl getting beaten. Gohan was shown angry when he first tranformed. Look at his expressions. Gohan gained the form through rage and never mastered it after the Cell Games so of course he has to be angry.
- Gohan was actually holding back against Cell and didn't want to fight when he said "I don't like fighting" Gohan was not able to use full power vs Cell since he was not angry enough and Goku had to push him to his limits so it's the same thing.
- So what? They don't have to say it when t's obvious when you look at his aura. Goku actually did tell Gohan to get mad and release all of his full power. What was Gohan's full power? SSJ2.
- So Buu was highly suppressed. Good, it says nothing about SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan basically said he thinks he can beat him if he reaches SSJ2.

[quote=Ninjajp247,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]i have always personally believed gohan was drawn MSSj here, but seeing as he is sweating and oging full power, and vegeta + goku keep making disparaging remarks about his power, its pretty clear they think hes supposed to be soemthing stronger than what he is. Goku clearly states he thinks dabra is at Cells level, and then later recants by saying that he was even stronger than he thought previous. No questions, this happened.

No way is gohan whom vegeta said is WAYYY below his kid self at Cell, is going to fight someone as strong as cell or stronger in their SSJ form. if thats true?

Then that mean we are wrong about EVERYTHING in the buu saga and have the wrong power levels for everyone. Cause if goku can talk about cell like he's yesterdays news and then say the guy he compared him to is even STRONGER ? then that means that both goku and vegeta can now beat up cell in MSSJ.[quote]

He was MSSJ. Goku said Dabura is Cell's level but could of meant to the Cell he fought since he even said it will be easy to kill Dabura and "easy" means he only needs SSJ so he probably talked about his SSJ. This is why Goku said Dabura was stronger than he thought since Gohan was a SSJ and was also losing. Dabura said Gohan was trash and he can easily beat him. Dabura was much stronger than Gohan since Gohan was SSJ. Hell, SSJ2 Gohan should inflict a lot of damage to the cacoon and he never did which proves he was a SSJ. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ no?? Gohan's hair as SSJ and SSJ2 was the same during the world tourment so this is a moot point.

[quote=Darth Pyrus,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Yeah, I've gone by this mindset for a while now. Toriyama clearly drew him as a Super Saiyan, but wrote the story as if he was a Super Saiyan 2. It's an eternal battle of art against narrative, and we'll probably never know the answer, but it's fun to debate most of the time anyway. [quote]

No statement which proves he was a SSJ2. Goku could of meant to the Cell he fought since he said beating Dabura is easy and SSJ2 was not famous at that time. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. AT already said he was a SSJ by showing his design.

[quote=Super Gohan,May 29 2012, 08:50 PM][quote]Completely untrue, unless you're willing to provide evidence for that bald claim.

You'd be well advised not to casually pass off something as fact for only self-serving justification, there's no need for that. [quote]

He had the same hair as a SSJ and SSJ2 by the time of the world tourment. Look at his hair when he got pissed after seeing Videl's beatdown. He had one bang stands and was a SSJ.


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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
I dont see no proof he was ssj, i only seen proof he was ssj2

Gohan vs Kibito, he was ssj2 wit electric aura
Kibito says he couldnt bring gohan back to full
Goku says dabura is at cells power/stronger
Vegeta says gohan is weaker than against cell cuz of lack of training
gohan powers up to destroy the buu egg

Wheres proof gohan was ssj?

Ssj2 has 1 bang, wheres proof his ssj1 form has 1 bang?
Gohan was not at full power against dabura which means no electric aura, same as goku vs majin vegeta

Gohan powered up to his max to destroy the egg, why power up to ssj, if ur max is ssj2?
Gohan says hes strong but not as strong as he was against cell

I showed massive fatcs from the Manga so you are just being an ignorant becuase you are ignoring them. Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Dabura because he had the anger with him about Videl being beaten. He didn't restore him to full power your point? Goku could of meant to the Cell he thought and also said he was stronger than he thought with a mark sign so he was not sure. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. He tried to power up but couldn't access his full power (SSJ2).
I already said in my post that Gohan's haor as a SSJ and SSJ2 was the same by the time of the world tourment so you are just ignoring it. Gohanhad 1 bang when he saw Videl's beatdown and was stated as a SSJ. Gohan ate z senzu bean so he was at full power and still was a SSJ. He was not angry enough to go SSJ2. Goku told him to use all of his power and all of his power means SSJ2 but Gohan aid he was not angry enough. Gohan never said he wa strong.

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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Anyone consider that these just might be inconsistencies? Or maybe that he wanted to save time?

The only reason SSJ's have ''blond hair'' is because it saved time and ink for Toriyama and his editors to make, he said it himself. It wouldn't be fat fetched to think that he just forgot.
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LOL. He never forgot the lightenong and Gohan's first transformation was vs Kibito. That's why it was all dramatic. Why do you compicate everything by saying it might have been inconsistencies? He had a SSJ aura since he was a SSJ. Simple as that. What's the problem in accepting that? :o_O:


Super Vegetto
May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Its pretty obvious that he messed up on purpouse. If he made interview after dbz finished, he would probably answer all questions and we wouldnt have anything for debate.

This debate like many others cant be solved until AT speaks but thats not going to happend.
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He already did in the Manga and he never messed up. Gosh he was desinged as a SSJ, why is it so complicated to understand? There is no proof he was a SSJ2 anyeway.
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Okay. I agree with all your facts. But I really think we should give this topic a rest & move on...
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May 30 2012, 07:46 AM
Okay. I agree with all your facts. But I really think we should give this topic a rest & move on...
It's been 12 pages. LOL :D
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May 30 2012, 03:03 AM
provide evidence for my bold claim?

toriyama did a sit down interview with someone i saw on g4 a couple years ago at a comicon.


Don't dig the hole any deeper than you already have...

Fortunately, I already expected you couldn't back up that assertion, so I don't waste time researching anything. But could you honestly not have made it more well-thought-out? It's a comically weak attempt. Anyone could basically type "Akira Toriyama" and "Comic-Con" on Google and confirm that he's never been a guest there. Anybody that's in fact familiar with his interviews and get to know his personality could immediately recognize that. He is a recluse, and does not favorably take part in these events. Here would be an example of how to actually present valid evidence that amounts to more than just petty subjectiveness:

Shenlong Times - 1st Issue
Pages 4-5 "Toriyama Akira's What I'm Up To Nowadays"


The only time I can recall him ever coming to North America was to promote the release of the American Shonen Jump magazine in 2002 and it's unlikely a subject as trivial as "did you give SSJ Gohan a hair cut?" would ever come up. It's easy to make baseless statements on the internet, but when you get called out for them, you're only setting yourself up to look foolish.
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I have spent most of this night looking for that interview i saw on g4. It was a brief interview on a comic panel, (as usual) and he was asked questions about gohans change in hairstyle along with a few others. It wasnt specifically about SSj2, it was just about his change in look. Toriyama said he had a haircut. However, i have no idea what you mean that he doesnt go to comic cons. i dont know what specific one YOU are referring to, but unless you have a reason to assume you are right, then the only fool here is you. Like you said, you dont do any research, you just pretend you do and make bold statements.

I cant find it or dont have access to it, so i cant validate what i saw. But i know what i saw.

Every comic book convention has been called a comicon, and its no different anywhere else.

It was a 2008 interview that i saw as a flashback on g4 back in 2010. yes it WAS a comicon panel interview, and yes it was a question asked by a white guy through an interpreter. So unless you can destroy my claim by exposing me as a liar, id keep a lid on it.

Like i said, i know what i heard, and where i saw it. Clips from g4 are next to impossible to get without being an active member of the site.

Pyrus: i only included you because you liked his comment, despite its invalidity.
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May 30 2012, 03:09 AM
Puccio
May 29 2012, 06:07 PM
Can I give you my point? Can I?


Kaioshin knew Gohan's full power, because he saw him as a Super Saiya-Jin 2 at the Budokai. So if Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin, Kaioshin would probably have told him to go all out so Boo couldn't gain energy.

That's just my opinion obv. <3
She's got a point & Im leanin more towards this.

If you still persist, then its up to you dude...
Correction: he. It's a he.

@pakl, I literally connot comprehend that post with the quoting fail. I do no know whose text is who, how do you mess up the quotes so severely like that?!
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I have spent most of this night looking for that interview i saw on g4. It was a brief interview on a comic panel, (as usual) and he was asked questions about gohans change in hairstyle along with a few others. It wasnt specifically about SSj2, it was just about his change in look. Toriyama said he had a haircut. However, i have no idea what you mean that he doesnt go to comic cons. i dont know what specific one YOU are referring to, but unless you have a reason to assume you are right, then the only fool here is you. Like you said, you dont do any research, you just pretend you do and make bold statements.

I cant find it or dont have access to it, so i cant validate what i saw. But i know what i saw.

Every comic book convention has been called a comicon, and its no different anywhere else.

It was a 2008 interview that i saw as a flashback on g4 back in 2010. yes it WAS a comicon panel interview, and yes it was a question asked by a white guy through an interpreter. So unless you can destroy my claim by exposing me as a liar, id keep a lid on it.

Like i said, i know what i heard, and where i saw it. Clips from g4 are next to impossible to get without being an active member of the site.

Pyrus: i only included you because you liked his comment, despite its invalidity.
Ninja may be wrong some times (admit it >:O) but I at least know he doesn't lie or say something without any proof to back it up. So I'm trusting ninja on this one.
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May 30 2012, 07:41 AM
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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
I dont see no proof he was ssj, i only seen proof he was ssj2

Gohan vs Kibito, he was ssj2 wit electric aura
Kibito says he couldnt bring gohan back to full
Goku says dabura is at cells power/stronger
Vegeta says gohan is weaker than against cell cuz of lack of training
gohan powers up to destroy the buu egg

Wheres proof gohan was ssj?

Ssj2 has 1 bang, wheres proof his ssj1 form has 1 bang?
Gohan was not at full power against dabura which means no electric aura, same as goku vs majin vegeta

Gohan powered up to his max to destroy the egg, why power up to ssj, if ur max is ssj2?
Gohan says hes strong but not as strong as he was against cell

I showed massive fatcs from the Manga so you are just being an ignorant becuase you are ignoring them. Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Dabura because he had the anger with him about Videl being beaten. He didn't restore him to full power your point? Goku could of meant to the Cell he thought and also said he was stronger than he thought with a mark sign so he was not sure. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. He tried to power up but couldn't access his full power (SSJ2).
I already said in my post that Gohan's haor as a SSJ and SSJ2 was the same by the time of the world tourment so you are just ignoring it. Gohanhad 1 bang when he saw Videl's beatdown and was stated as a SSJ. Gohan ate z senzu bean so he was at full power and still was a SSJ. He was not angry enough to go SSJ2. Goku told him to use all of his power and all of his power means SSJ2 but Gohan aid he was not angry enough. Gohan never said he wa strong.

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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Anyone consider that these just might be inconsistencies? Or maybe that he wanted to save time?

The only reason SSJ's have ''blond hair'' is because it saved time and ink for Toriyama and his editors to make, he said it himself. It wouldn't be fat fetched to think that he just forgot.
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LOL. He never forgot the lightenong and Gohan's first transformation was vs Kibito. That's why it was all dramatic. Why do you compicate everything by saying it might have been inconsistencies? He had a SSJ aura since he was a SSJ. Simple as that. What's the problem in accepting that? :o_O:


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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Its pretty obvious that he messed up on purpouse. If he made interview after dbz finished, he would probably answer all questions and we wouldnt have anything for debate.

This debate like many others cant be solved until AT speaks but thats not going to happend.
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He already did in the Manga and he never messed up. Gosh he was desinged as a SSJ, why is it so complicated to understand? There is no proof he was a SSJ2 anyeway.
No u have not shown no facts, the only facted i seen on here was the proof of his hairstyle changing

Gohan couldnt reach his full power (ssj2) against dabura but he can show it off against kibito? Ur makin no sense
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May 30 2012, 12:37 PM
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May 30 2012, 07:41 AM
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May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
I dont see no proof he was ssj, i only seen proof he was ssj2

Gohan vs Kibito, he was ssj2 wit electric aura
Kibito says he couldnt bring gohan back to full
Goku says dabura is at cells power/stronger
Vegeta says gohan is weaker than against cell cuz of lack of training
gohan powers up to destroy the buu egg

Wheres proof gohan was ssj?

Ssj2 has 1 bang, wheres proof his ssj1 form has 1 bang?
Gohan was not at full power against dabura which means no electric aura, same as goku vs majin vegeta

Gohan powered up to his max to destroy the egg, why power up to ssj, if ur max is ssj2?
Gohan says hes strong but not as strong as he was against cell

I showed massive fatcs from the Manga so you are just being an ignorant becuase you are ignoring them. Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Dabura because he had the anger with him about Videl being beaten. He didn't restore him to full power your point? Goku could of meant to the Cell he thought and also said he was stronger than he thought with a mark sign so he was not sure. Gohan was also weaker as a SSJ. He tried to power up but couldn't access his full power (SSJ2).
I already said in my post that Gohan's haor as a SSJ and SSJ2 was the same by the time of the world tourment so you are just ignoring it. Gohanhad 1 bang when he saw Videl's beatdown and was stated as a SSJ. Gohan ate z senzu bean so he was at full power and still was a SSJ. He was not angry enough to go SSJ2. Goku told him to use all of his power and all of his power means SSJ2 but Gohan aid he was not angry enough. Gohan never said he wa strong.

GridZero
May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Anyone consider that these just might be inconsistencies? Or maybe that he wanted to save time?

The only reason SSJ's have ''blond hair'' is because it saved time and ink for Toriyama and his editors to make, he said it himself. It wouldn't be fat fetched to think that he just forgot.
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LOL. He never forgot the lightenong and Gohan's first transformation was vs Kibito. That's why it was all dramatic. Why do you compicate everything by saying it might have been inconsistencies? He had a SSJ aura since he was a SSJ. Simple as that. What's the problem in accepting that? :o_O:


Super Vegetto
May 30 2012, 01:45 AM
Its pretty obvious that he messed up on purpouse. If he made interview after dbz finished, he would probably answer all questions and we wouldnt have anything for debate.

This debate like many others cant be solved until AT speaks but thats not going to happend.
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He already did in the Manga and he never messed up. Gosh he was desinged as a SSJ, why is it so complicated to understand? There is no proof he was a SSJ2 anyeway.
No u have not shown no facts, the only facted i seen on here was the proof of his hairstyle changing

Gohan couldnt reach his full power (ssj2) against dabura but he can show it off against kibito? Ur makin no sense
Because he had the anger with him against Kibito about Videl and he was not angry vs Dabura. Goku said he can't reach full power since he was not angry which proves he was a SSJ2. Now you are just making yourself look an ignorant. I posted at least 5 statements to why he was a SSJ. Gohan's ki filled almost half of the needed power which means his strength should inflict a lot of damage to Buu's cacoon during the fight like Goku and Vegeta did. Dabura said he can easily eat Gohan and said he was trash which means Dabura was much stronger than Gohan. But they were barely able to inflict any damage which proves Gohan was a SSJ. I already posted many points along with that so read again.
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May 30 2012, 11:21 AM
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Can I give you my point? Can I?


Kaioshin knew Gohan's full power, because he saw him as a Super Saiya-Jin 2 at the Budokai. So if Gohan was a Super Saiya-Jin, Kaioshin would probably have told him to go all out so Boo couldn't gain energy.

That's just my opinion obv. <3
She's got a point & Im leanin more towards this.

If you still persist, then its up to you dude...
Correction: he. It's a he.

@pakl, I literally connot comprehend that post with the quoting fail. I do no know whose text is who, how do you mess up the quotes so severely like that?!
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I have spent most of this night looking for that interview i saw on g4. It was a brief interview on a comic panel, (as usual) and he was asked questions about gohans change in hairstyle along with a few others. It wasnt specifically about SSj2, it was just about his change in look. Toriyama said he had a haircut. However, i have no idea what you mean that he doesnt go to comic cons. i dont know what specific one YOU are referring to, but unless you have a reason to assume you are right, then the only fool here is you. Like you said, you dont do any research, you just pretend you do and make bold statements.

I cant find it or dont have access to it, so i cant validate what i saw. But i know what i saw.

Every comic book convention has been called a comicon, and its no different anywhere else.

It was a 2008 interview that i saw as a flashback on g4 back in 2010. yes it WAS a comicon panel interview, and yes it was a question asked by a white guy through an interpreter. So unless you can destroy my claim by exposing me as a liar, id keep a lid on it.

Like i said, i know what i heard, and where i saw it. Clips from g4 are next to impossible to get without being an active member of the site.

Pyrus: i only included you because you liked his comment, despite its invalidity.
Ninja may be wrong some times (admit it >:O) but I at least know he doesn't lie or say something without any proof to back it up. So I'm trusting ninja on this one.
Gohan was injried but that's not why he couldn't reach full power. Gohan was not angry enough and he was not against Dabura as well. Goku pushed him to transform and release his full power. His full power is his SSJ2.

- He had the anger with him about Videl. Why do you even think AT showed Gohan was angry when he saw Videl getting beaten. Gohan was shown angry when he first tranformed. Look at his expressions. Gohan gained the form through rage and never mastered it after the Cell Games so of course he has to be angry.
- Gohan was actually holding back against Cell and didn't want to fight when he said "I don't like fighting" Gohan was not able to use full power vs Cell since he was not angry enough and Goku had to push him to his limits so it's the same thing.
- So what? They don't have to say it when t's obvious when you look at his aura. Goku actually did tell Gohan to get mad and release all of his full power. What was Gohan's full power? SSJ2.
- So Buu was highly suppressed. Good, it says nothing about SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan basically said he thinks he can beat him if he reaches SSJ2.
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