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| Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2012, 10:15 PM (1,147 Views) | |
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May 24 2012, 10:15 PM Post #1 |
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I know this'll go on for pages, but I thought I'd clear the air on this subject. No assumptions. Just facts. Not trying to start a flame war either. This topic revolves around the Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga) ''fact'' that I see going around here. Assumptions on the issue: 1 . Goku was told about the SSJ rule. 2. Goku was thinking of the SSJ rule after 10 years. Now, absolutely nowhere in the manga were these things ever stated. I understand why people would use common logic to try and explain these things, but these are the facts. 1. Goku wasn't told about the SSJ rule, on panel. And he wasn't thinking about it 10 years later. Why? Because it wasn't said on panel. Not told on panel = not told at all. Example: Trunks didn't tell Goku that the Androids they'd be facing would be a boy and a girl. Not said on panel? Not said at all. Clearer Example: The Fusion Dance doesn't have a rival boost. Why doesn't it have a rival boost? Because it wasn't said so on panel. We can very clearly ASSUME that the Fusion Dance has a rival boost, but since it wasn't said on panel in the manga, everyone will discredit it. So I ask. Why doesn't anyone discredit the SSJ rule in accordance to Goku? And why does everyone assume that the SSJ rule is still in effect 10 years later? No one even mentions it on panel. It's a double standard. And why does everyone assume that when Goku said ''100%'' power, he was referring to his base? Thanks for reading if you did. Just my thoughts. |
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May 24 2012, 10:32 PM Post #2 |
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SSJ rule for EoZ is just mande fan theory. I made topic about FPSSJ Goku ( Cell games ) vs Base Goku ( Boo saga ). Everyone agrees that FPSSJ Goku ( Cell games ) > Base Goku ( Boo saga ) who trains 7 years. After that i compere FPSSJ Goku Boo saga with Base Goku EoZ. Peoples put Base Goku ( EoZ ) stronger than FPSSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) or even SSJ3 Goku ( Boo saga ). I mean if he didnt surpassed his base self in 7 years, how could he surpass him in 10 years ? Also how can he surpass SSJ3 Goku who is minimal 400x of base. Its simply not logical gain over 10 years because everyone agrees 7 years isnt enough to be close to FPSSJ level. Goku did sad someone else ( Oob ) could win the tournament. He pretty much sad that he is not sure if SSJ3 is enough to beat Oob ( Kid boo) in powers. Also he fought Kid buu in SSJ3 Full power because he whanted to damage Kid buu so that Vegeta can have a chance i guess, but he couldnt do it. So pretty much he is not sure if SSJ3 full power is enough to beat someone like Oob ( Kid boo ) before he realized Oob is no where near Kid boo level. Which means we saw peak of Full power SSJ3 Goku against Kid boo. Base Goku EoZ is not strongest Goku we saw. Realy when you think about it, its because of GT. No other explanation. Only evidence for Goku beeing SSJ3 level in just base is because he takes hit from Enraged ( Kid boo ) Oob. Again : Base Vegeta takes hits from Kid boo and didnt died. Also there is no proof that Enraged Oob is Kid boo true power. Maybe a glimps like Gohan did when he got enraged. Gohan never got acces to Mystic power up when he was enraged. So again another proof that crushes theory of Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku and Enraged Oob = Kid boo. Btw like i sad SSJ rules is fan made for EoZ and most important no one told Goku, and Goku whanted to test his SSJ3 ability because he fought Kid boo at full power and couldnt damage him. Second time he probably tryed to get to full power so that he can win in instant like Vegeta sad. So realy he whanted them both to be at 100% so that he can test his SSJ3 abitliy against opponent like Oob ( Kid boo ). After realizing that Oob is not on Kid boo level he goes to train with him and says that he whants true match he whanted after he finishes training with Oob. Again there is silly GT where its Base Goku vs Oob in first episode. If there was no GT everyone would look this with clear head and not using logic like Goku getting magicly stronger, yet everyone says that Base Goku Boo saga that trains for 7 years didnt surpassed FPSSJ Goku Cell games. Edited by Super Vegetto, May 24 2012, 10:35 PM.
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May 24 2012, 10:34 PM Post #3 |
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In the first episode of GT, Dende forgets that he can heal. I don't think we should trust GT at all. And there's no proof that Kid Boo ~ Enraged Oob. It's plausible, but you can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt. |
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| + Clearin | May 24 2012, 10:42 PM Post #4 |
 
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It's more like not told on panel = maybe told off panel, maybe not told at all. Not that the no SSj rule matters at all for this.
Bad example, we saw the entire conversation between Trunks and Goku, there was no room for anything Trunks might have said that we missed.
Some people do think the fusion dance has a rival boost, and it may do so. I don't believe it myself, I think it comes from the magic of the Potara.
Because it was in effect last time they went to a tournament, although it was broken. So it makes sense for it to be in effect again.
Because he said he wants to fight Uub with 100% of his stamina and he does so in base. Seriously though I don't get what the whole no SSj rule has to do with Goku's strength. The SSj rule can be in affect or not and I still think he's at a minimum of Good Buu's power and a maximum of Kid Buu's. |
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May 24 2012, 10:47 PM Post #5 |
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I beg to differ. If I said that the Fusion Dance had a rival boost in a versus topic, it'd go off on a huge tangent about us arguing, and then we'd have to bring in the Herms translation to disprove me, and it's be a huge mess. Point being: Wasn't said on panel in the manga = wasn't said at all (in cases where it benefits the theory, it is said, which is clearly a double standard) The SSJ rule matters because it brings the question: Is Goku going to fight Kid Boo in base since he can't turn Super Saiyan? And he said he's fighting at 100% power, so it obviously means Base Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku. That's why. |
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| + Clearin | May 24 2012, 10:51 PM Post #6 |
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There's nothing to prove or disprove, it's never stated anywhere if fusion dance has a rival boost. And I wouldn't argue about it, if people have theories that aren't contradicted by the Manga I just let them be.
It's not Kid Buu, it's Uub, he doesn't have to worry about the Earth being destroyed if he loses. Goku loves a good challenge, he wouldn't turn Super Saiyan and make the match one sided, that would be boring for him. And he said 100% stamina, not power. Edited by Clearin, May 24 2012, 10:51 PM.
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May 24 2012, 10:59 PM Post #7 |
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Goku has to think Kid Boo ~ Oob though. There's no reason that a child that's 10 years old has more power than the person/being he was reincarnated from. Thanks for pointing out stamina though, it does change my views on some things. Edit: So would it be accurate to say that Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku is a fan theory then? Edited by GridZero, May 24 2012, 11:06 PM.
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 11:10 PM Post #8 |
 
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As is base Goku ~ SSj/SSj2 Goku. |
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May 24 2012, 11:16 PM Post #9 |
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True, but Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga) can be more heavily discredited than Base Goku (EoZ ~ SSJ1/SSJ2 Goku (Boo Saga) |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 11:32 PM Post #10 |
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You act as if that is a fact and not merely how you comprehend the events and statements. |
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May 24 2012, 11:34 PM Post #11 |
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Never said it was a fact. The entire purpose of this topic is me trying to discredit it as a theory. I seriously doubt you read any of what I had to say. |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 25 2012, 02:03 AM Post #12 |
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You do not read what others say either. You set it in your mind that it is unbelievable so whatever someone says in defense is automatically wrong. |
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May 25 2012, 02:08 AM Post #13 |
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Nope, not true. I read every single post. I even read Super Vegetto's huge long post.
Edited by GridZero, May 25 2012, 02:08 AM.
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 25 2012, 02:13 AM Post #14 |
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Then why do you persist in writing off other beliefs as "myths"? |
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May 25 2012, 02:18 AM Post #15 |
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It's a ''myth'' because a ridiculous amount of people believe in it, yet it can be debunked. Like the myth that if you cross your eyes for too long, you become cross eyed. A lot of people have this belief, but it's not true. It's a myth. |
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