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| Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2012, 02:09 AM (1,209 Views) | |
| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 03:01 AM Post #16 |
 
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After King Kai: 75,000 After Androids: 1,000,000 After Cell: 10,000,000 After Buu: 50,000,000 That is my vision for him. |
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May 24 2012, 03:02 AM Post #17 |
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Oh, LOL, that Bojack movie puts Tien ~ Base Trunks, I just remembered. I don't think Tien meant to kill the Saibaman. He saw that he was alive, and shrugged him off because he'd been defeated. Krillin had just seen Yamcha be killed by one of the things, so it's logical that he'd kill them. |
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| Copy_Ninja | May 24 2012, 03:21 AM Post #18 |
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He'd be around 100% Frieza level possibly, maybe a little under imo. I don't see where his huge gains are coming from if he isn't doing special training and only training with someone as weak as Chiatzou. |
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| Kblo247 | May 24 2012, 03:40 AM Post #19 |
 
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Vegeta also said that Saibamen wasnt going hard enough, like he expected from him. If the green munchkin wasn't taking it serious either, it makes you wonder. But my point is still that there is nothing in Z short of hat one movie that paints Tien as a skilled martial artist in close combat in the manga or anime sadly, unlike in DB. Piccolo, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, 18, the boys, and Krillin were all painted as being better fighters. As for the topic itself I have no problem pitting Tien and Krillin around where Goku and Vegeta SSJ forms were vs 19 and Gero. I could place Yamcha near where Piccolo was at the time just to be generous. In the anime though the had says Krillin is god among Other World. Tien logically is damn good. Yamcha is better than weighted Pikkon and Olibu, Edited by Kblo247, May 24 2012, 03:44 AM.
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| Battle Power | May 24 2012, 05:50 AM Post #20 |
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I'd have him around 50% Freeza when Buu Saga starts. In terms of raw numbers, It all depends on your progression from Trunks to Cell Saga, but he shouldn't be able to do much if you go by a logical point of view. The earthlings never trained seriously after Freeza Saga and thus never got the big important boosts the saiya-jins & Piccolo got (gravity training, sparring partner, RoSaT), not counting the countless transformations and fusions the aliens got. Tenshinhan is shown to be dedicated to Martial Arts but stubborn at the same time, it seems he wants to be stronger but by his own means, I started to respect his character more after seeing it this way, I used to just say he was dumb by not training with the help of gravity, RoSaT, etc. Here's what I have: Trunks Saga: 265,000 Cell Saga: 1,300,000 Buu Saga: 55,000,000 His Shin-Kikoho might be able to hold even Super Perfect Cell off, who knows. |
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| Warrior-Elite | May 24 2012, 08:17 AM Post #21 |
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Im pretty sure while Tien was firing his tri beam, there was a little pain in cells eyes. Thats from what i can remember. call me a tien fanboy, if you want but Imo i definitely have tien around android 17 and 18s power, maybe a little less. you have to remember this is tien were talking about, when ever his shown his always training. In that 7 year gap, its not hard for some like tien to gain that much power. To the people saying his near firezas level are wrong, tien is clearly miles above frieza. Edited by Warrior-Elite, May 24 2012, 08:25 AM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 24 2012, 10:54 AM Post #22 |
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Base Trunks possibly tanked the tri-beam so I don't think so. Also Tien didn't get any hits on him, Trunks dodged them all except for a few when they only showed the shockwaves in the air when I'm guessing they blocked each other. I think Tien is just a bit weaker than Gotenks-Buu/Tri-Beam multiplier. Don't ask me what I think the multiplier is.... |
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| + Clearin | May 24 2012, 11:06 AM Post #23 |
 
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This is one of those powers that is just impossible to even get a good idea on. It's hard enough to get Tien's power in the Android saga, with people putting him from below 1 million to some people putting him above 100% Freeza. I don't place him anywhere, it'd just be a 100% guess. |
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| Muyasuki | May 24 2012, 07:50 PM Post #24 |
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There are a few problems with using this as comparison. The first (and major one) is that during that year, all characters had a major reason to train (to prepare for the Saiyans coming, even more so since three of those characters (Goku, Piccolo, Krillin) had directly sensed and seen Raditz power and were told the the Saiyans arriving would be much more powerful then that). That strong level of motivation attributed to their power gains during that year (though it should also be noted that this was much zenkai became a factor as well). Admittingly, they also left Kami's early and did some training on their own...they also needed to get that much stronger for the sake of the plot as well (which is the major reason for the power gains for Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin and especially Goku and Piccolo during the Freeza saga). Given that during the last period of peace (between the end of Dragonball and the beginning of Dragonball Z), no character gained or decreased in PL (with the exception of Goku and Piccolo and even then the difference was very slight), its almost safer to assume that they trained mostly in this period to maintain their power levels and/or increase their skills. Given this comparison, its almost safer to assume that no one got stronger. For reasons similar to this, I also have them all making huge gains during the 3 years training for the Androids. With that said, I bring this up to highlight reasons for WHY Tien couldn't have made huge gains during those 7 years (in fact, the only characters I have making huge gains in that time period are Goku and Vegeta and thats because they both wanted to surpass Gohan's PL against SPC ... and given Vegeta's comment during Gohan's fight against Dabura, they both thought assumed that Gohan had at least become stronger prior to this fight). Admittingly, I have all of the other Z-Fighters (minus Gohan) making gains (not massive gains, but gains) as well but nothing anywhere near as big. Also there is significantly less reason to believe that Tien made gains to that level as well considering he did not want to participate in the 25th World Tournment. Until my re-read of the manga, I always assumed that they couldn't find him, but according to chapter 432, they could and he choose not to (given Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, the boys, Krillin and #18 were competing, you'd assume that he'd at least want to show off his gains here (not to mention Yamcha was presumed to enter but it wasn't until the day of that the others (minus Bulma who told him about it) that he decided not to)). With that said, during the Cell Games, I used to have Tien between a little stronger than Goku was against initial final form Freeza (about 4,000,000) (which is still a substantial gain in PL) and within the same percentage of kaioken Goku vs 50% Freeza in comparison to his own power level and the Cell Jrs (given that he didn't die instantly). During the Boo saga, I had him between 100% Freeza Final Form and Android 19 (but closer towards full power Mecha Freeza). Given the dialogue in Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return (which was written by Akira Toriyama), I had to up that PL given that a presumably no longer training seriously Yamcha wanted to fight someone presumably of the level of Freeza. Given that he thought he'd embarrass himself at the World Tournament, this says that he had at the very least was stronger than the Freeza PL he sensed during the Trunks saga. With that said, the max I can give Tien (Buu saga) is between Android 19 and the very first time we see Cell (who at the time was weaker than both 17 and 18). And even then, that's much higher than I thought before. Admittingly, I am a huge fan boy of the non-saiyan Z-Fighters. Edited by Muyasuki, May 24 2012, 07:51 PM.
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May 24 2012, 08:01 PM Post #25 |
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Speaking of...does anyone have the Viz or Herms translation of Tien's mention in the World Tournament in the Boo Saga? This one I'm seeing now is fan editted and says that ''Tien won't come. He won't see us again.'' It sounds really weird, lol. It's DBZ Chpater 432, as Muyasuki stated. |
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| + Clearin | May 24 2012, 08:05 PM Post #26 |
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Goku: "Tenshinhan isn't here...?" Krillin: "Probably not. He said he didn't think we'd ever meet again" That's Viz btw. Herms won't have it since it isn't a strength related line. Edited by Clearin, May 24 2012, 08:05 PM.
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May 24 2012, 08:17 PM Post #27 |
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Ah, thanks! (I misplaced my Volume 20, so I got left with a big gap between Vol. 19 and Vol. 21) It makes sense though. Tien said they'd probably never see each other again at the lookout, 7 years prior to the World Tournament, and Goku didn't know he said that because he was dead. |
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May 24 2012, 08:32 PM Post #28 |
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Did you just sad that Chaoz is weak ? xD       |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | May 24 2012, 08:36 PM Post #29 |
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i like tien a lot and what i have gathered it is hard to tell how hard he trained in thiose seven years if he trained normally maybe stronger then initial ssj goku to android 19 but if he trained hard o think he could be android 18/19 - semi perfect cell but this is according to a fanboy so yeah |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 25 2012, 02:05 AM Post #30 |
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Why would Tien not meet them?  Guess it could be that he just wants to get stronger on his own without having to face knowing that he'll never catch up. |
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