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| Super Perfect Cell was not weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2012, 08:24 PM (3,038 Views) | |
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May 23 2012, 08:24 PM Post #1 |
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I have been hearing some people saying SPC was weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan because Gohan was still able to beat him, however this is not really true. First we will look at statements of the Manga which prove otherwise. Chapter: 413 (DBZ 219), P10.1, P11.3-4, P12.1 Context: after regenerating from his self-destruction Cell: “There’s a small clump inside my head…This makes up my nucleus…As long as that clump isn’t destroyed, my body can continue regenerating…When I self-destructed, my nucleus fortunately remained uninjured…Quite frankly, I hadn’t calculated on being able to regenerate…I was lucky…And even more happily, my body regenerated as my perfect form, even without No.18…And it wasn’t merely my perfect form: I had vastly powered up like Son Gohan…This was probably done by the Saiyan cells, which greatly increase in power when they are saved from the brink of death…And I even managed to learn Son Goku’s Teleportation…So in short, I was able to return here, having become even more perfect. It seems that rather than defeat me, Son Goku has given me several presents.” First we can notice that Cell was compeltely confident when he returned. Cell is a smart figher, it’s the same fighter who knew how to power up to Goku’s exact level, he wouldn’t be so calm if he was weaker than Gohan. Cell eve claimed he had powered up just like Gohan did and that was evidently since he even had the SSJ2 characteristics. Cell’s statement when he said “I had vastly powered up like Son Gohan” can be interpreted in both ways: 1. Cell had the same power Gohan did. 2. Cell could of meant that the diffrence between his SP form to his regular perfect form is the same diffrence between SSJ Gohan to SSJ2 Gohan which would put SPC way above SSJ2 Gohan. This is up to interpretation. Chapter: 414 (DBZ 220), P14.2 Context: after getting hit by Cell’s attack while saving Vegeta Gohan: “Cell’s power has gone up more than I thought…” This is solid proof that Cell was not weaker than SSJ2 Gohan. Cell used a small ki blast and barely charged it, yet Gohan was seriously damaged and even saod Cell had powered up more than he thought. Take into account that it was an attack intended to kill Vegeta. Even if Cell is serious he doesn’t need to put a lot of power to kill Vegeta. Gohan was not also caught off guard. Gohan knew he is going to be hit. He thought he can clock the attack but was proven wrong. Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P10.2 Context: after Gohan fires his Kamehameha Piccolo: “It no use…! Gohan’s ki is weaker after all…” We know that SPC is stronger than injuried Gohan who had 50% of his power based on Piccolo’s words. Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan’s injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” Now, people think that Goku meant that injuried Gohan was stronger than SPC since Goku said Gohan can win but how is it possble if we know SPC was stated by Piccolo to be above injuried Gohan? First, Goku even told Gohan to beleive in his own power, that means Gohan was doubting his own power. Goku also told Gohan to show him the power they both made in their ROSAT training. Let’s get something clear we know Goku noticed during their training to Gohan’s hidden powers. When Gohan gets mad he becomes more powerful, that was shown when he fought Frieza, Raditz, Nappa etc. Chapter: 203 (DBZ 8), P4.1, P8.3, P9.4 Context: Gohan gets extremely mad as Raditz torments Goku, powering up, but this power goes away quickly Raditz: “Ba…ba…battle power 1,307?! [ ] N... now his battle power is only 1. It... it completely changes with his em... emotions…[ ] Only a child?! You’re joking! The brat has a higher battle power than you! I’ll kill him now, while he still doesn’t know how to use it properly…!” Gohan’s ki changes due to his emotions. This is because being hybrid makes you more powerful than base saiyan as stated by Vegeta. Chapter: 204 (DBZ 10), P12.1-2 Vegeta: “At any rate, the battle power of Kakarot’s son is unusually high, even by the standards of Saiyan children.” Nappa: “Maybe his reading was wrong.” Vegeta: “No, it wasn’t wrong. Raditz really took a large amount of damage from that brat’s attack. It seems that mixing Saiyan and Earthling blood begets a powerful hybrid.” Being hybrid makes you powerful. Chapter: 416 (DBZ 222), P7.2, P8.1-2 Context: as Gohan and Cell’s Kamehamehas clash Goku: “Hang on! Hang on, Gohan! You ain’t putting out all your power yet! Make your power explode!” Gohan: “I’m doing it at full force…! Any more than this is…” Goku: “Somewhere in your mind you’re thinking of the damage to the Earth! Don’t worry about it! We’ll undo the damage with the dragonballs!” Goku pushed Gohan neyond his limits so he can release his hidden powers. This is why Goku tells him that he doesn’t use his full power. When Gohan states je is using full force he means that he uses his max 50%. Goku even tells Gohan that he holds back and never gives everything he had but it was not enough till Vegeta arrived and distracted Cell. Daizenshuu also says “Goku’s spirit gives the last of his power to Gohan." which means Goku was contributing his ki to Gohan and it was still not enough. Some peole even says Cell had troubles with injuried Gohan, however it’s completely false if you look at Cell, he was smiling and just toying with Gohan. Cell obviously wanted him to suffer while Gohan was struggling. Cell also held back since he was only about to be serious in the end when he was about to kill Gohan which means a toying holding back SPC>>enraged injuried Gohan with the help of SSJ Goku who also contrbuted his ki to Gohan (stated in the Daizenshuu) Daizenshuu also says “The strongest Kamehameha in history goes into operation." imply Gohan’s kamehameha was the stringest since it was made by his rage. In the end when Vegeta distracts Cell, Goku tells Gohan to unleash everything he had and Gohan does. You have to remember Cell was completely off guard and his kamehameha was probably also weaker and Gohan managed to relase all of his hidden powers at one shot, this is why he fainted later snce he used too much energy in other words beyond his normal limits. Looking at Gohan’s expressions prove his emoions changed at that time and unlocked his full hidden powers. Not only that but there are evidences to prove Gohan was at full power when he beat Cell. Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4 Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?” Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!” Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…” Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…” Goku: “…Stop it?” Notice when Vegeta said Gohan was a lot stronger when he KILLED Cell? That implies Gohan was at full power since he unlocked his hidden powers he had rage boots. Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4 Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?” Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ” Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…” Notic when Vegeta said “Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”? That’s all based on Gohan’s fight vs Cell and how he killed him. Gihan git angry and unlocked his hidden powers, he had rage boots and attacked Cell at full of force and if Cell is weaker so why was the distraction necessary? That proves Cell can’t be weaker than Gohan. Daizenshuu even says “Goku’s encouragement reaches a resigned Gohan. And then, the greatest final Kamehameha annihilated Cell." Goku’s encourgement reached Gohan’s hidden powers and Gohan’s rage was what killed Cell. Goku even said so in the Buu Saga. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6 Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone… Conclusion Gohan won since he got angry and released all of his hidden powers. That means Angry SSJ2 Gohan>SPC but doesn’t mean Cell was weaker than calm SSJ2 Gohan. if we gather the facts we can see: Angry SSJ2 Gohan>SPC>=Calm SSJ2 Gohan. |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 23 2012, 08:33 PM Post #2 |
 
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You keep posting these in the wrong section. |
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May 23 2012, 08:36 PM Post #3 |
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Does it matter? |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 23 2012, 08:38 PM Post #4 |
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No, you're right. I suppose I should start putting game questions in the Versus section. |
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May 23 2012, 08:39 PM Post #5 |
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LOL. That's great. |
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| + Clearin | May 23 2012, 08:49 PM Post #6 |
 
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The simple fact Cell thinks he can beat Gohan is enough for me to say Cell > Gohan. Many people use the "X thinks he can beat Y" logic on other characters where it's not contradicted so I don't see why they'd ignore this one. |
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May 23 2012, 08:58 PM Post #7 |
 
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I have it like this : Perfect Cell though he can beat Gohan becasue he couldnt accept that he is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan ( enraged ). Later Gohan is the one who is confident in beating him but after taking blast he says that Cell is even stronger than he though. So same scenario happend and its pretty obvious that : SSJ2 Kid Gohan relising more dorment powers > SPC > SSJ2 Kid Gohan ( enraged ) > FP Perfect Cell |
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May 23 2012, 09:04 PM Post #8 |
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there is one guy on that forum who said injuried gohan>SPC LOL Angry SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SPC>Calm SSJ2 Kid Gohan |
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May 24 2012, 12:20 AM Post #9 |
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Logic time: Injured SSJ2 Gohan was weaker than Uninjured SSJ2 Gohan. Injured SSJ2 Gohan (dormant power) beat SPC in the beam struggle, so was therefore stronger than him The only way to have SPC stronger than Uninjured SSJ2 Gohan is by saying Injured SSJ2 Gohan dormant power was stronger than Uninjured SSJ2 Gohan While it should make more sense that he would either be equal to Uninjured Gohan or slightly weaker And obviously, from the fight, we see that SPC is stronger than injured Gohan. And the reason Cell would be so calm and confident, IMO, would just be his cockiness. After toying around with the opponent for several chapters, like staying roughly equal with Goku when he could have decimated him by powering up a little, or trying to goad Gohan into getting angry, I think that he was just outraged that Gohan was stronger than him; he's quite simply, IMO, a narcissist. He just couldn't accept a child being stronger than him. The second that he got a power-up, his arrogance returned, and he believed he could win now. He injured Gohan, and then he showed the obvious edge in the fight. After all, Base Gotenks thought himself to be able to beat Fat Boo, and we know this obviously wasn't true. Uninjured SSJ2 Gohan > Injured SSJ2 Gohan (dormant power) > SPC > Injured SSJ2 Gohan |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 06:27 AM Post #10 |
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I believe Cell was twice as powerful as normal SSj2 Gohan. He was stronger than Angered SSj2 Gohan, but he wanted to venture to the Afterlife to fight Goku again. |
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May 24 2012, 06:28 AM Post #11 |
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injuried gohan (dormant power)>uninjuried gohan. take into account that cel had t be distracted in order that gohan's dormant powers would beat him if injuried gohan (dormant powers)>SPC so the distraction wouldn't be necessary therefore injuried Gohan (dormant powers)>SPC>=ssj2 kid gohan |
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May 24 2012, 06:29 AM Post #12 |
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twices as strong is too much SPC was a bit stronger. |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 06:32 AM Post #13 |
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A bit stronger is too little. He was twice as strong. |
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May 25 2012, 12:20 AM Post #14 |
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I'd like some evidence please. |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 25 2012, 02:04 AM Post #15 |
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Right, I will go make a long thread by copy-pasting everything this Pak guy said and changing some words around. Be back in a few days with that. |
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