A brief discussion on Kaioken..

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A brief discussion on Kaioken..; Stronger than SSJ2 Transformation?
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amsmagic	May 23 2012, 02:28 PM Post #1
The Magic Man. Aka Street Magician Posts: 554 Group: Member Member #7,522 Joined: April 8, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Naruto	so I've been recently thinking a lot more about kaioken, and I remember Goku going into a x10 kaioken during his fight with freiza, and even x20 when he fired his kamehameha. I think it's a fact now that the more Goku Trains his body, the higher his kaioken boost can become. Would it be possible for Goku (Mastered Super Saiyan) to produce kaioken x25 in his SSJ form, and thus be stronger than a SSJ2 Goku? and the implications apply for every form of Super Saiyan, I'm using the above as my example.
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~~GridZero~~	May 23 2012, 02:36 PM Post #2
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Already done, anime wise. Manga wise, it's up in the air.



*Copy_Ninja*	May 23 2012, 02:40 PM Post #3
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	If Goku could do it, he would have done. He's not stupid, he'd be looking for any advantage he could get. Especially to give extra power to attacks, such as his IT Kamehameha vs Cell. The thing with Kaioken is the risks of it and I'd imagine that stacking it on top of a transformation would only multiply such risks.
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amsmagic	May 23 2012, 02:56 PM Post #4
The Magic Man. Aka Street Magician Posts: 554 Group: Member Member #7,522 Joined: April 8, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Naruto	GridZero May 23 2012, 02:36 PM Already done, anime wise. Manga wise, it's up in the air. When was this done anime wise?
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~~Super Vegetto~~	May 23 2012, 03:13 PM Post #5
Posts: 3,460 Group: Suspended Member #7,405 Joined: March 6, 2012	amsmagic May 23 2012, 02:28 PM so I've been recently thinking a lot more about kaioken, and I remember Goku going into a x10 kaioken during his fight with freiza, and even x20 when he fired his kamehameha. I think it's a fact now that the more Goku Trains his body, the higher his kaioken boost can become. Would it be possible for Goku (Mastered Super Saiyan) to produce kaioken x25 in his SSJ form, and thus be stronger than a SSJ2 Goku? and the implications apply for every form of Super Saiyan, I'm using the above as my example. SSJ Goku neads only Kaio ken x2 to be strong as SSJ2, not x25.
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~~GridZero~~	May 23 2012, 03:15 PM Post #6
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	It's Goku vs. Pikkon, and I don't think Goku can sustain Kaioken with Super Saiyan. It's probably too much strain.



Warrior-Elite	May 23 2012, 04:47 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,360 Group: Member Member #4,528 Joined: October 18, 2009 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga N/A	Copy_Ninja May 23 2012, 02:40 PM If Goku could do it, he would have done. He's not stupid, he'd be looking for any advantage he could get. Especially to give extra power to attacks, such as his IT Kamehameha vs Cell. The thing with Kaioken is the risks of it and I'd imagine that stacking it on top of a transformation would only multiply such risks. Kaioken already had strain on his body, so turning kaioken while ssj must have a lot of strain maybe thats the reason why he never used it.
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amsmagic	May 23 2012, 08:36 PM Post #8
The Magic Man. Aka Street Magician Posts: 554 Group: Member Member #7,522 Joined: April 8, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Naruto	GridZero May 23 2012, 03:15 PM It's Goku vs. Pikkon, and I don't think Goku can sustain Kaioken with Super Saiyan. It's probably too much strain. I don't think it would be too much strain, because he had mastered super saiyan in the RoSAT, taking away any strain from super saiyan. Just watched the video you put up, Very cool It completely slipped my mind he went "Super kaioken". Edited by amsmagic, May 23 2012, 08:37 PM.
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~~Super Vegetto~~	May 23 2012, 08:46 PM Post #9
Posts: 3,460 Group: Suspended Member #7,405 Joined: March 6, 2012	Its pretty obvious that AT ignored Kaio ken. Did you guys ever though of possibilitly that humans didnt knowed Kaio ken ? Tien even talks about Gokus Kaio ken yet never asked King kai to teach him because clearly AT ignored it. SSJ x Kaio ken is simply overkill.
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Muyasuki	May 23 2012, 09:05 PM Post #10
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	I don't think it is possible to use kaioken with super saiyan (though I am pretty sure Goku must have at least attempted to try this combination in the training for the androids). I think the main reason it disappeared after the Freeza saga was because the multiplier for SSJ was lowered than what it was originally (against Freeza). While it would have MASSIVELY helped the human characters (as I don't think they fell so far behind that the kaioken boost wouldn't have made them immensely more battle capable), this is the main reason I think it doesn't appear to be used again later.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	May 24 2012, 12:03 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	The higher your battle power, the greater your potential to reach higher limits of Kaio-Ken. However, you must first train the Kaio-Ken itself. Goku at Androids probably has the potential to go Kaioken x 50, but since he didn't train the Kaio-Ken or train in the Kaio-Ken to push its limits (because who needs Kaio-Ken when you have less stressful SSJ transformation), to reach higher levels of Kaio-Ken, he would have to train in it all over again. So the max Kaio-Ken that Goku could use in the series, ignoring movies and filler scenes, would be 20x, because he never trained Kaio-Ken after unlocking SSJ. I'd also assume that Kaio-Ken in a SSJ transformation would increase the regular stress of the Kaio-Ken dramatically.



TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	May 24 2012, 10:34 AM Post #12
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Maybe....kaioken is dependent on weight. So Goku got up to Kaioken x4 max by training in x10 gravity, and then to x20 max by training in 100x gravity. So if he trained in more gravity maybe he could go for a higher kaioken multiplier. Maybe....
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