amsmagic

May 24 2012, 02:45 AM

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

I'm not even going to argue the point because I feel you've been proven wrong, but can you do us all a favor and use periods?

It's an eyesore to read long debates that are just run on sentences. I understand people who's english isn't up to par, which is fine, but periods are universal, as far as my readings have taken me.

Son Gohan

May 24 2012, 02:48 AM

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

What? How does that quote even apply? All he was saying that they were both fighting at really high powers. How does that prove Gohan didn't go SSJ2? And why is everyone ignoring my post?

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 06:53 AM

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 06:51 AM

Teen GohanZ

May 23 2012, 10:04 PM

GridZero

May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

Eh, no.

Gohan goes SSJ2 for Kibito, and he's not angry at all. Just wanted to point that out.

Exactly, he was even blushing and smilingly embarrassingly towards his classmates.

look at his tranformation when he went ssj2 vs kibito look at his expressions he was angry

He was by no means angry! He was confused, Shy, and Nervous. Do I need to post the episode clip up?

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 06:53 AM

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 02:45 AM

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

I'm not even going to argue the point because I feel you've been proven wrong, but can you do us all a favor and use periods?

It's an eyesore to read long debates that are just run on sentences. I understand people who's english isn't up to par, which is fine, but periods are universal, as far as my readings have taken me.

Hmmm, how was I proven wrong? Gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2. Herms even mention it's because of the ssj2 form. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2. He had no lightening or SSJ2 aura.

Master of Dragon Ball

May 24 2012, 07:07 AM

Gohan had one lock when he transformed during Videl's match. Do not even try to tell me he was a SSj2 there unless you can explain how that would make sense from a writing standpoint considering it is supposed to be a big reveal when he transforms for Kibito.

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 07:01 AM

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 06:53 AM

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 02:45 AM

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

I'm not even going to argue the point because I feel you've been proven wrong, but can you do us all a favor and use periods?

It's an eyesore to read long debates that are just run on sentences. I understand people who's english isn't up to par, which is fine, but periods are universal, as far as my readings have taken me.

Hmmm, how was I proven wrong? Gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2. Herms even mention it's because of the ssj2 form. That proves Gohan was not SSJ2. He had no lightening or SSJ2 aura.

I will say thank you for your newfound knowledge of periods!

On topic,

Gohan's statement of huge damage doesn't, in any means, refer to Gohan being a SSJ. Vegeta and Goku are both stronger than Gohan yes, that is why Gohan recognizes the energy their giving to Majin Buu.

Gohan's fight with Dabura didn't last long and wasn't that immense energy wise, thus Majin Boo didn't receive much energy from them. Goku and Vegeta and a much more drawn out and intense fight.

The SSJ2 Aura he had.
The lightning WAS an inconsistency as proven to be throughout many scenes. He had one strand of hair, period. This was Gohan's SSJ2 characteristic. He never had that one strand as a SSJ, and until you back up that statement of yours, I will never believe it.

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 07:08 AM

Master of Dragon Ball

May 24 2012, 07:07 AM

Gohan had one lock when he transformed during Videl's match. Do not even try to tell me he was a SSj2 there unless you can explain how that would make sense from a writing standpoint considering it is supposed to be a big reveal when he transforms for Kibito.

Looked into it.

Gohan was falling for Videl at that point. She was getting brutally and pointlessly damaged to the brink of death.

Gohan went into a fury, and didn't even appear to mean to transform. His anger poured out of him and transformed him, thus it is more than likely that he went into SSJ2 from his rage.

As long as we can agree that lightning is an inconsistency, he was more than likely a SSJ2 during that brief transformation.

and by the way, if Gohan was a SSJ fighting Dabura, then my theory of Vegeta never achieving SSJ2 prior majin boost makes perfect since. But to this point, I see Gohan being a SSJ2 against Dabura.

Master of Dragon Ball

May 24 2012, 07:11 AM

Daizenshuu #7 is all I need to say Gohan was SSj2 against Dabura, but I will not admit to him being SSj2 during Videl's match. None of the transformation traits are there except the supposed one lock of hair hanging over his face, which is more inconsistent than the lightning, which is not really as inconsistent as you fumbling folks like to say.

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 09:14 AM

Master of Dragon Ball

May 24 2012, 07:11 AM

Daizenshuu #7 is all I need to say Gohan was SSj2 against Dabura, but I will not admit to him being SSj2 during Videl's match. None of the transformation traits are there except the supposed one lock of hair hanging over his face, which is more inconsistent than the lightning, which is not really as inconsistent as you fumbling folks like to say.

And yet Daizenshuu 2 ays Gohan only went SSJ2 vs Kibito so the Daiz contradicts itself and it's unrealible.

Teen GohanZ

May 24 2012, 10:59 AM

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 09:14 AM

Master of Dragon Ball

May 24 2012, 07:11 AM

Daizenshuu #7 is all I need to say Gohan was SSj2 against Dabura, but I will not admit to him being SSj2 during Videl's match. None of the transformation traits are there except the supposed one lock of hair hanging over his face, which is more inconsistent than the lightning, which is not really as inconsistent as you fumbling folks like to say.

And yet Daizenshuu 2 ays Gohan only went SSJ2 vs Kibito so the Daiz contradicts itself and it's unrealible.

That part of Daiz 2 also says SSj3 Gotenks appears after volume 41, which he doesn't. I find Daiz 2 to be very unreliable altogether to be honest, it's full of mistakes.

amsmagic

May 24 2012, 02:00 PM

I love how your just stating I'm wrong, then restating your opinion. What you said wasn't a fact, it was simply your thoughts on what happened.

- I stated my reasoning for Gohan possibly going SSJ2 when he saw Videl.
- Surpreme Kai and Kibito weren't surprised, but they were happy. He was what they were looking for.
- Why would Goku or Vegeta need to say anything? They didn't say anything when he went SSJ2 vs. Kibito.

When Goku and Vegeta fought, Majin boo did NOT fill up right away. You need to rewatch that fight.
Also, when Spoopovich absorbed Gohan's power, Majin Buu filled up half way from! So what makes you think Goku and Vegeta are any different in terms of strength if they filled it up quickly? I don't get why your arguing that point, it doesn't help your debate with Gohan at all.

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Kibito and Kaioshin were surprised when they saw SSJ2 Gohan and said they can't believe how strong he was. Why would they be so surprised if they apperently felt him before? He was a SSJ.

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Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…”

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Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.”