memes86

May 23 2012, 06:29 PM

ssj goku
50

ssj2 gohan at dabra
52

dabra at gohan/cell zenkai
56

dabra (max)
56-64

fat boo at hatching/at dabra/at vegeta/...
61...125...205...285

ssj2 gohan at cell
62

ssj2 vegeta
70

ssj2 goku/ssj2 vegeta
100

edit: imo

GridZero

May 23 2012, 06:33 PM

Off topic but... ^^^^

Your new avatar and the stuff under it is absolutely hilarious.

On topic: SSJ2 Gohan a bit weaker than Dabura. That's my final verdict.

Ninjajp247

May 23 2012, 06:34 PM

pakl123456

May 22 2012, 10:12 PM

GridZero

May 22 2012, 10:08 PM

Wrong section, and Dabra is equal to Full Power Perfect Cell.

From Daizenshuu:

Quote:

 

The man who boasts the greatest power in the Demon Realm, a place said to exist on the opposite side of the universe from where Goku and co. live. He had his heart manipulated by Babidi, and become his underling. On top of having a battle power equal to Cell's, he is also skilled in magic. After dying, Enma Daio judged that as king of the Dark Demon Realm he would be happy in Hell, and so he sent him to Heaven.

Now, saying he's stronger than SPC is a bit much to me, but FP Perfect Cell makes much more sense.

If not then you'd be implying that Gohan's SSJ2 went from beyond Full Power Perfect Cell level to lower than Surpressed Perfect Cell.

gohanw as ssj vs dabura and daizenshuu states gohan was a ssj2 vs dabura yet abother one says he was only a ssj lol anyway when it says he is equal to cell it can also mean he is equal to the cell who goku fought or cel's averge level well i have dabura close to FP perfect cell

ssj2 adult gohan who is way weaker than SPC is stated above dabura

I dont know why people say this, goku was fully aware of cells power, as a matter of fact he was the only one really.

perfect cell to goku is simply Cell, not even perfect cell, which is the name he called himself, no one else called him perfect cell in the japanese anime/manga but himself.

so yeah, Goku is aware that Dabra is as powerful as cell because he fought cell, not because he fought suppressed cell, goku was fully aware cell was suppressed, so what youre saying is wishful thinking built on an assumption, not evidence.

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

GridZero

May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

Eh, no.

Gohan goes SSJ2 for Kibito, and he's not angry at all. Just wanted to point that out.

Son Gohan

 

more stuff:

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

MSSJ is a form specifically for decreasing energy consumption and allowing to user to balance the aspects of SSJ more properly. If he was MSSJ, he wouldn't have been as tired from a relatively short fight as to use a senzu bean.

Chapter: 470 (DBZ 276), P5.2-4
Context: Kaioshin says the situation isn’t completely hopeless
Kibito: “Huh…!? You can’t mean…Does this have anything to do with Son Gohan…?”
Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…”
Kibito: “Wh-what!? That can’t be…”
Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…”

Kibit and Kaioshin already saw Gohan go SSJ2 at the Budokai. If Gohan was MSSJ against Dabra, then why would Kaioshin tell Kibit that he saw "power far beyond [their] imagination"?

Chapter: 462 (DBZ 268), P9.2, P11.3
Context: as Gohan and Kaioshin flee from Boo
Gohan: “It’s alright! I’m confident in my speed!”
*Boo quickly catches up to them*
Gohan: “…! Th-that can’t be…!”

If Gohan was MSSJ, why would he be confident in his speed if his SSJ2 speed was greater? We also never see Gohan power up/transform again from fighting Dabra, so whatever form Gohan was against Boo, he would have to be at Dabra.

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

pakl123456

May 23 2012, 08:23 PM

Puccio

May 23 2012, 07:03 PM

But then we have another problem: Could MSSJin Goku/Vegeta be able to beat up Dabra/ Seru? That's why I have Goku becoming 3 times stronger in the Otherworld.

Oh Boy I hate these debates. Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 IMHO. Kaioshin would have told Gohan to go all out, like he did during the Budokai Tenkaichi, instead of holding back and giving Boo more energy. That's my opinion, of course C:.

He was a ssj and couldn't go ssj2 since h was not angry enough and that proves gohan was a ssj

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2
Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up] already…!?”
Gohan: “…I-I know…! Father is fighting at a level that has further surpassed Super Saiyan…Vegeta probably is too…If two incredible powers like that clash, th-the damage is astounding too…!”

gohan said the damage is huge since they were fighting as ssj2 which proves gohan never used ssj2 vs dabura herms also claim it refers to the ssj2 form

GridZero

May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

Eh, no.

Gohan goes SSJ2 for Kibito, and he's not angry at all. Just wanted to point that out.

Teen GohanZ

May 23 2012, 10:04 PM

GridZero

May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

Eh, no.

Gohan goes SSJ2 for Kibito, and he's not angry at all. Just wanted to point that out.

Exactly, he was even blushing and smilingly embarrassingly towards his classmates.

pakl123456

May 24 2012, 06:51 AM

Teen GohanZ

May 23 2012, 10:04 PM

GridZero

May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

Eh, no.

Gohan goes SSJ2 for Kibito, and he's not angry at all. Just wanted to point that out.

Exactly, he was even blushing and smilingly embarrassingly towards his classmates.

look at his tranformation when he went ssj2 vs kibito look at his expressions he was angry