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May 21 2012, 01:47 PM Post #16 |
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Look, this is so simple. If you believe that Super Boo ~ Super Janemba, then SSJ Gogeta ~ SSJ3 Gotenks ; it's that easy. I don't know why that seems so implausible to some people. Edit: Something more implausible is SSJ3 Gogeta ~ Base Vegetto ; yet everyone seems to love that idea. Edited by GridZero, May 21 2012, 01:51 PM.
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May 21 2012, 01:58 PM Post #17 |
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Its hate, on top of not being able to explain it. period? its possible super janemba> super buu as buu was in the story for movie 12, meaning Ultimate gohan killed buu. so at the least super janemba not only equals super buu but could possibly take him out. |
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May 21 2012, 01:59 PM Post #18 |
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I don't know why anyone would hate Gogeta. He's one of the coolest, if not the coolest movie character ever created. His design, IMO is better than Vegetto's. Edited by GridZero, May 21 2012, 01:59 PM.
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| + Clearin | May 21 2012, 02:02 PM Post #19 |
 
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Well I'm not using movie Gogeta here, I'm using a hypothetical fusion dance Gogeta from the manga. But yes I do think Super Buu is that much stronger than Super Janemba. Basically here's my power chain: SSj3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSj2 Gotenks > SSj Gotenks > Base Gotenks > SSj Gotenks (Expected from Piccolo) > SSj Gotenks (Pre RoSaT) > SSj3 Goku There's a massive gap between Super Buu and SSj3 Goku here, if Janemba was as strong as Super Buu then he'd have flicked Goku's head off. Edit: That's with Manga Goku btw, if Movie 12 Goku was Toei hax Goku then Janemba is over Super Buu. Edited by Clearin, May 21 2012, 02:03 PM.
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May 21 2012, 02:07 PM Post #20 |
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I think Goku could've held his own against Super Boo for a tiny while, but then been completely owned, similar to how Janemba fought SSJ3 Goku. He never fought him, so we'll never know. |
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| + Clearin | May 21 2012, 02:09 PM Post #21 |
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Put it this way: Super Buu is more or less a bare minimum of your SSj3 multiplier times stronger than Goku, which is my case is 80x (And that would be assuming base Gotenks post RoSaT is exactly equal to SSj3 Goku which is wrong anyway since Base Gotenks > SSj Gotenks (Pre) > SSj3 Goku). But anyway even without taking that into account that's already 80x more powerful, 2x would be more than enough for a stomp, Goku wouldn't even be able to react to Super Buu before being murdered. |
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May 21 2012, 02:14 PM Post #22 |
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Ah, I thought it might've been a situation similiar to Bootenks vs. Gohan, but Goku being murdered?  In any case, Super Janemba is a bit weaker than Super Boo, which still doesn't put much of a gap in between SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ Gogeta, right? I don't think Gogeta gets too much credit here. He fooled around with Janemba too much. He probably could've just killed him right away, but meh. |
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| + Clearin | May 21 2012, 02:16 PM Post #23 |
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Well if we're talking about Movie 12 Gogeta here then it all depends on how strong Goku is. He could be as strong as he is in the manga, in which case I think this Gogeta would be weaker than SSj3 Gotenks by quite a lot. Or if it's Anime hax Goku then Goku alone is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks. |
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May 21 2012, 02:19 PM Post #24 |
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but movie 12 goku doesnt seem to be haxxed in any way. as a matter of fact he seems to be on par with his anime self who = his manga self. Super janemba is a product after buu and goku said this. Goku knew he needed to do fusion from the jump. No secret, but he also knew that he couldnt maintain SSJ3 for a period of time without being alive. Otherwise WHOS to say that in movie 12 GOKU didnt kill Buu as fat buu? its possible, but following the story it makes more sense to have gohan do it. Goku at full power in SSJ3 is what they showed in movie 12, full underworld power. meaning no strain. which was obvious. his struggle with fat janemba was wrose off than his brief skirmish with fat buu whom he almost obliterated with a Super kame blast, but then buu regens and shoots one similar, a blast goku FLICKS away and blows up a whole city. super janemba not only knocked goku OUT of SSj3 he made him run and MESS UP the fusion they were so rattled from being erased. If it wasnt for pikkon they wouldnt have succeded, sound familiar? if it wasnt for gohan, vegetto would never have been born. so for goku to tell janemba he only used thsi form on buu lets you know exactly where janemba stands, and then the fact janemba tanked it all until goku just went all out, just like he said he COULD have done to fat buu in the manga. except janemba transforms, and goku almost dies, nothing beyond this point has goku winning this fight in ANY way. They do the metamorran fusion which has NO rival boost, and just like SUPER Vegetto VS buu from the manga. He wipes his boots with janembas face. Thus the true reason gogeta turned SSJ in fusion, no different than vegetto and the potarras. Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 21 2012, 02:20 PM.
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| Ryuuzaki | May 21 2012, 03:03 PM Post #25 |
 
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SSJ Vegetto >>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gogeta >(=) Base vegetto >>(>) SSJ3 Gotenks , that's sound logic without Toei. |
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| FamousBueller | May 21 2012, 04:59 PM Post #26 |
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Ssj3 Gotenks is stronger than Gogeta? Duh but if gogeta was ssj3 he would murder ssj3 gotenks |
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| imnotsure | May 22 2012, 09:44 PM Post #27 |
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How could Super Vegito be so much ridiculously more powerful than Gogeta that he could be weaker than gotenks when its the same two people fused? If anything Gogeta is slightly weaker than Vegito and would probably still beat Buuhan just not in a total slaughter like Vegito did. |
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May 22 2012, 09:49 PM Post #28 |
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Random Nimbus out of nowhere Herms Translation Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3 Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!” Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.” I find this good evidence of fusion dance having a rival boost for Vegeta and Goku, but I'm unsure. I still think that without rival boost, Potara > Fusion Dance Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3 Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!” If that helps at all in this debate. |
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| FamousBueller | May 22 2012, 09:56 PM Post #29 |
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Goku: 80,000,000 Vegeta: 80,000,000 Gogeta: 160,000,000 Ssj: 1,600,000,000 Ssj2: 3,200,000,000 Ssj3: 12,800,000,000 Trunks: 40,000,000 Goten: 35,000,000 Gotenks: 70,000,000 - ssj: 700,000,000 Ssj2: 1,400,000,000 Ssj3: 5,600,000,000 Gotenks is nowhete close to gogeta, there powers r beyond each other |
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| + KingOfAllSaiyans | May 22 2012, 10:03 PM Post #30 |
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Some dont have that big of a gap between the adults and the kids. |
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