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May 24 2012, 09:32 PM Post #76 |
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There's other reasons why Fusion Reborn can't take place in the Bio Broly universe, you know. And you can't prove he's Mystic either. (Not that I can disprove it, but you're clearly at a disadvantage here) |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | May 24 2012, 10:03 PM Post #77 |
 
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You are right. Everybody is at a disadvantage when debating with you. You are AT's prodigal son, after all. |
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May 24 2012, 10:17 PM Post #78 |
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*wipes tear from face* Thank you. Edited by GridZero, May 24 2012, 10:17 PM.
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May 25 2012, 01:58 AM Post #79 |
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Gohan was mystic in wrath of the dragon, and he went back to being saiyaman, so what? Besides, Goku only questioned Gohans ability to defeat buu after the z sword training, its possible they never broke the sword but that would be the only reason why. Otherwise Gohan was strong enough to fight buu. Goku just wasnt sure if he could have a face stomping definition of winning. The change of story in the movies plainly give away when they are supposed to take place after movie 7. which is why i said what i said. I stand by my statement. which included previous that the broly movies happen in a universe all their own, but all three do happen in that consecutive fashion. Movie 11 left us questioning whether or not goku and pikkon can take broly back to hell after being killed by gohan. Movie 12 brought goku against an enemy that would leave Broly scattered in several places, also revealing that indeed no other villain prior to buu had made him transform like that. it was true. Especially for the movie verse. Goku was shown to be an SSj2 in movie 10 and in movie 11 had an actual conversation about said subject, yet im supposed to believe the movies arent supposed to be connected? No, its the exact opposite, the movies ARE related, they just arent related to the manga. Movie 13 was just too much...Goku was superman in that movie, so strong he didnt even need lightning all the time he had mastered SSJ3 so much. Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 25 2012, 02:07 AM.
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May 25 2012, 02:13 AM Post #80 |
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No, they aren't. They aren't connected at all. Movies 10 and 11 happen in different universes, but with the same base canonocity. The explanation: Movie 11 takes place one day after the World Tournament. If Movie 11 is in the same universe as Movie 12, then Goten and Trunks would still be training and learning the Fusion Dance in the lookout when the events of Movie 11 transpire. The Boo Saga takes place in two days. It would be impossible for Goten and Trunks to be with Android 18 and Krillin after the day of the tournament when they would still be fighting Boo. It is impossible for these movies to be in the same universe. Edited by GridZero, May 25 2012, 02:14 AM.
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May 25 2012, 05:00 AM Post #81 |
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That makes no sense. Cause movie 11 clearly takes place shortly after the budokai and 18 wants her money. so no, the movies are connected because they are based off of trying to jump into the timeline. But the established movies have a timeline of their own. Movie 7 was about turning SSJ Movie 8 was about finding out being SSJ isnt special Movie 9 was more connected to the main timeline. Movie 10 followed movie 8, as its still about broly Movie 11 happened like 6 months to a year after movie 10 as the fake shaman of the town goten and trunks went to also found brolys blood after they killed him. So no, they are connected to each other as well as based off the original what if. |
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May 25 2012, 02:23 PM Post #82 |
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Ugh, you're missing the point here. None of the Broly movies can occur in the same universe. Movie 8 has the Saiyans fighting Broly, but there's no evidence that Cell exists. Movie 10, we know that Cell has to exist because Goku is dead, and Gohan has SSJ2. And in Movie 11, we know that Goten and Trunks SHOULD be learning the Fusion Dance, instead of being with Android 18 and Krillin getting money from Hercule. Movie 11 happens the day following the Budokai, the references are undebatable. |
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May 25 2012, 07:12 PM Post #83 |
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no, those are assumptions, there is no proof cell existed, the death of goku in the movie is unexplained, but goku dying at cell has nothing to do with him being dead after broly. Anything could have happened. Maybe not the heart virus or cell, but he was supposed to die anyways, even bulma and trunks couldnt fix that. So inside this is a huge plothole, that is stealing from the anime stories, as stated, and using them to make movies. So then everyone can go, OH, why is goku dead? but since broly exists instead of cell you can only assume. Gokus death in movie 10 will continue to be unexplained, but that also means that they were just following movie 9. which is why people insist on saying that movie 8 happened during the ten days of wait for cell. when in fact it just ran concurrent with the timeline in its own fashion. you could easily use movies 8 9 10 and 11 to make a story, but movie 9 messes it up. Goku didnt get sick for an extra 6 months according to trunks, and the appearance of the androids was late too, not to mention trunks knew nothing about Gero or 19. so its possible that goku died from something else completely, no heart virus, no cell. But since he died of natural causes in more than one world, its safe to assume that he died for something else. movie 8 goku is alive movie 9, 10, and 11 and 12 goku are dead. movie 13 doesnt explain much either but its assumed to be shortly after the buu saga. all of the movies up to 8 were all stand alone. but they all had a theme also. Movie 8 started a story movie 9 must have been made by a different team that didnt want to deviate too much from the story. movie 10 is a continuation of movie 8, even down to gohan knowing who he is. Cell isnt implied to exist anywhere, and yet gokus dead. movie 11, Goku is still dead and now so is broly. Movie 12 deals with right after the buu saga and goku says so. Yet he is still dead. movie 13 takes place about after goku is alive? yet in movie 12 he was dead, and this is the scond movie made AFTER the buu saga. So you see? the movies are connected but they go in their own direction because people dont care about it sticking to the continuity. Just think about it as DBM. So goku being dead implies nothing important, especially with it being about cell. Goku was supposed to die, regardless of how it came about. |
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May 25 2012, 07:31 PM Post #84 |
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You're right there. Movies 8 and 10 were made by the same director. Probably why Movie 9 doesn't fit into the timeline, as it established that Cell exists in that timeline. Still, there are discrepancies that can't allow Movies 8 and 10 to happen in the same universe. Like Goten saying ''I wish dad was here'' in Movie 10, when Goten really meets his Father at the World Tournament. Edited by GridZero, May 25 2012, 07:32 PM.
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