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Controversy; Troll Magnet
Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2012, 12:29 AM (2,805 Views)
Pookie	May 23 2012, 03:05 PM Post #61
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Yamcha was freaking awesome in Dragonball. Yes, he failed in Dragonball Z, but what human didn't? Krillin was more useful, but he still failed a lot. I just feel like all the humans were so much better characters than the saiyan counter parts. You can say Vegeta was bad *** and Goku was so amazing, but come on look at Tien. Tien was a bad * that was always training, Yamcha risked his life and got screwed over even though he knew he couldn't compete, and Chaotzu leaves you wondering what the hell he is and he has psychic abilities. Just admit the humans got screwed over because it is true. Awesome theme Edited by Pookie**, May 23 2012, 03:06 PM.



~~GridZero~~	May 23 2012, 03:17 PM Post #62
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Yeah, the humans got very screwed over. Literally, there's only one useful human per saga. Krillin is especially useful in the Saiyan/Freeza saga as he helped Goku when he was fighting Vegeta, and enabled him to turn Super Saiyan. I'd say Tien is the only useful human for the Cell and Boo Saga as he prevented Cell from absorbing Android 18, and he prevented Boo from killing Dende and Hercule.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	May 23 2012, 06:39 PM Post #63
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	GridZero May 22 2012, 11:14 PM I really wouldn't rely on movie continuance here. Plus, Goku had SSJ3 at the time (Boo Saga) and SSJ3 Goku > Majin Boo. My point being is: Paragus says King Vegeta was killed in Planet Vegeta's explosion, yet we know from the anime that he was killed by Freeza in a fight. You can't really rely on movies to give any continuance from each other as they all happen in seperate universes. but they dont though, for the most part All of the movies except dead zone are for an alternate universe, but otherwise fit into the story perfectly. So yeah, i can use the movies, especially if movie characters are being discussed.



~~GridZero~~	May 23 2012, 06:48 PM Post #64
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	The stories don't fit in perfectly, there are huge anomalies and discrepancies in just about every single one of them, which render them all in alternate universes from each other.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	May 23 2012, 10:15 PM Post #65
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Nope, Movies 11 and 12 fit perfectly into the majin buu timeline with ONE discrepancy. Gohan killed buu, which also include broly who is dead thnx to movie 10. Gohan continued training and became as strong as his father from movie 9 to ten thnx to bojack coming down. King kai is dead in that movie and so is goku. Even the cell timeline fits here. Not many discrpancies to the movies, ESECIALLY the ones made in the buu saga which were blatant and abhorrent RIPOFFS of the original storyline. Especially movie 7 and onward...



~~GridZero~~	May 23 2012, 10:26 PM Post #66
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	If there's a discrepancy, that means they can't fit perfectly into the timeline. Just saying. And Movies 11 and 12 have to happen in different universes. It's impossible for them to exist in the same universe. They're different universes in their own right because they have Boo die before he can turn into Kid Boo. Edit: And Gohan didn't kill Boo in either of those movies. If he did, he'd be Mystic in Fusion Reborn. Edited by GridZero, May 23 2012, 10:27 PM.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	May 24 2012, 06:49 PM Post #67
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	no, because these holes are being filled for the movie, the only discrepancy would be from using a moot point and using it as a baseboard for the movie. Like everyone refusing to NOT believe Movie 8 happened during the cell games despite no Cell. Or 17 and 18 traveling the world by car looking for goku in movie 7. Bojack released upon the death of King kai. All of these points were capitalized on and made into form to hook these movies into the timeline. discrepancy equals proof of another world or instance, not that it didnt happen. The only true discrepancies is to the manga from the movies. Because the movies try to fill gaps the manga doesnt bother with. All the way to movie 7 were impossible scenarios fitting into god knows where, By the time the anime caught up to the manga? they just started mashing it all together to make it fit and have it seem like the Main timeline and the movies could have happened. Just because we know better doesnt mean it doesnt work.



~~GridZero~~	May 24 2012, 07:01 PM Post #68
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	True, but you can't ignore the fact that the movies still can't take place in the specified anime timeline. They exist in multiple different universe with multiple different outcomes of what happened in canon. Bio Broly takes place in a universe where Goku either killed Boo, or he doesn't exist. Fusion Reborn takes place in a universe where Boo was defeated by Gotenks. See? They're incomparable because they don't make sense in each other's timelines.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	May 24 2012, 08:33 PM Post #69
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	i dont believe buu was defeated by gotenks, only gohan could defeat buu. is there definitive proof he was beat by gotenks? cause the only discrepancy in that movie is that goku is still dead, and he didnt come back to life until gohan was fighting buutenks. So it makes sense to have gohan defeat buu and not gotenks. The transformation to super buu was gonna happen regardless of how it happened.



~~GridZero~~	May 24 2012, 08:38 PM Post #70
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	If Boo was defeated by Gohan in Fusion Reborn, he'd be Mystic, and he's not. My theory on Fusion Reborn: Goku comes back to life, participates in World Tournament, shows Boo SSJ3, teaches boys Fusion with Piccolo. Goes back to Otherworld. Vegeta still sacrificed himself, but since the situation never escalated, there was no reason to revive him. (I guess they do in the future) With this theory, Gotenks exists, Mystic Gohan does not, and Goku/Vegeta are still dead. It's the only viable alternate timeline. Thus, it cannot exist in the Bio Broly timeline.



Master of Dragon Ball	May 24 2012, 08:57 PM Post #71
Posts: 578 Group: Duplicate Member #6,330 Joined: June 8, 2011 Favourite Anime Ask What Browser do you use? Ask Favourite Manga Obvious	GridZero May 24 2012, 08:38 PM If Boo was defeated by Gohan in Fusion Reborn, he'd be Mystic, and he's not. My theory on Fusion Reborn: Goku comes back to life, participates in World Tournament, shows Boo SSJ3, teaches boys Fusion with Piccolo. Goes back to Otherworld. Vegeta still sacrificed himself, but since the situation never escalated, there was no reason to revive him. (I guess they do in the future) With this theory, Gotenks exists, Mystic Gohan does not, and Goku/Vegeta are still dead. It's the only viable alternate timeline. Thus, it cannot exist in the Bio Broly timeline. Gotenks has a move he learned in the HTC. Gohan was far into his ritual by the time the boys went into the room, and was likely truly finished by the time Gotenks and Buu emerged. Old Kai just did not tell him when he was really done. It is entirely possible Gohan is Mystic in Fusion Reborn.



~~GridZero~~	May 24 2012, 09:15 PM Post #72
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	The art style is heavily inconsistent, even for Toei. That isn't Mystic Gohan in Fusion Reborn. I've also included a picture of Mystic Gohan from Wrath Of The Dragon to show you that Fusion Reborn's Gohan isn't Mystic. Spoiler: click to toggle Fusion Reborn Gohan Anime Mystic Gohan Toei's Wrath Of The Dragon Mystic Gohan Edited by GridZero, May 24 2012, 09:17 PM.



Master of Dragon Ball	May 24 2012, 09:21 PM Post #73
Posts: 578 Group: Duplicate Member #6,330 Joined: June 8, 2011 Favourite Anime Ask What Browser do you use? Ask Favourite Manga Obvious	I see Gohan being strong.



~~GridZero~~	May 24 2012, 09:24 PM Post #74
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Yeah, but not Mystic.



Master of Dragon Ball	May 24 2012, 09:31 PM Post #75
Posts: 578 Group: Duplicate Member #6,330 Joined: June 8, 2011 Favourite Anime Ask What Browser do you use? Ask Favourite Manga Obvious	So you say! Hoo hah!



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