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Controversy; Troll Magnet
Topic Started: May 20 2012, 12:29 AM (2,804 Views)
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In order to attract trolls, cause general chaos, flame other members, and increase site activity, I have compiled the most controversial DBZ topics and my views on them

1. Gohan: FPSSJ or SSJ2 against Dabra?
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I always regarded Vegeta as the intelligent one.

2. Gogeta vs Vegetto
SSJ Vegetto destroys SSJ3 Gogeta with his pinky; SSJ3 Gogeta has no rival boost; Shin Boo < SSJ3 Gotenks < SSJ3 Gogeta << Chou Gohan << Gotenks-Boo << Gohan-Boo <<<<< SSJ Vegetto

3. Quality of Dragon Ball Z Kai
DBZ Kai introduced me to Dragon Ball, and was a great, more compact version of DBZ with probably 80-95% of filler removed. I loved the opening as well.

4. Decreasing SSJ multiplier
The SSJ multiplier was whatever the ***** Toriyama wanted it to be. The only time I would use 50x for SSJ would be Goku against Furiza. At other times, Toriyama couldn't give a ***** about the numbers or multipliers, which is why I use a fluctuating SSJ multiplier.

5. Broly's Power
Broly at M8 was stated to be set up as the strongest Saiya-jin by the producer, simple as that. SSJ2 Kid Gohan < LSSJ Broly M8.

Gohan at M10 said he got stronger since the last time he saw Broly. I set Broly timeline in an alternate universe where Gohan trained. LSSJ Broly would be far far stronger than any SSJ2, I place the gap bigger than Good Boo and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta

SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Pre Sword) < Pre Majin SSJ2 Vegeta << SSJ2 Majin Vegeta ~ SSJ2 Goku << SSJ2 Gohan M10 < Mr Boo << LSSJ Broly M10 << Fat Boo

6. Worst DBZ Character
Yamucha was a beast in Dragon Ball, no doubt, but he was just on a fail streak in DBZ. After bragging about he was going to take out a Saibaimen, he gets destroyed by one of them in a second. He does nothing significant to plot until Androids arrive, after which he gets pwned by Cyborg 20. Then he just fades into oblivion and does nothing significant for the rest of DBZ

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7. Goten/Trunks/Gotenks's Power
Claiming that Gohan was holding back against Goten completely takes him out of character. Goten should be just a bit weaker than Gohan, and then Trunks a bit stronger than Goten, and almost on Gohan's level.

Base Gotenks Post-RST is >> SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST. Before seeing Gotenks, Piccolo is unsure if SSJ Gotenks Post-RST could beat Initial Shin Boo. However, after only seeing Base Gotenks Post-RST, he thinks Gotenks could win against Initial Shin Boo

SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST < Expected SSJ Gotenks Post-RST << Initial Shin Boo << Base Gotenks Post-RST <<< SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST

Base Gotenks Pre-RST thought he could beat Fat Boo, implying that he thought himself to be stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (since he saw Vegeta get pwned against Fat Boo). Goku flat out stated Gotenks could beat Fat Boo, and he knew Trunks and Goten could go SSJ, so this means SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST > Fat Boo. For simplicity, I put him on par with SSJ3 Goku.

SSJ2 Majin Vegeta <<<< Base Gotenks Pre-RST << Fat Boo << SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST ~ SSJ3 Goku < Expected SSJ Gotenks Post-RST << Initial Shin Boo << Base Gotenks Post-RST <<< SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST

And just because Base Gotenks Post-RST >>> SSJ Gotenks Pre-RST doesn't mean Goten and Trunks individually got 10x stronger; Toriyama didn't give a ***** about fusion multipliers, just like SSJ multipliers. The fusion multiplier is either fluctuating, or Goten and Trunks increased their fusion multiplier by training in it.

Those should be the most controversial topics of DBZ. Thoughts?
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, May 20 2012, 12:51 AM.
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Yamucha was a beast in Dragon Ball, no doubt,

Yamcha was never good. He beat Invisible man and that's it, that's all he has ever done.

Also you missed Goten, Trunks and Pan's power.
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~Whether Gohan can go SSj after Old Kai unlocks his power.
~Base Saiyans/Piccolo/Supreme Kai comparison.
~Kid Buu/Super Buu comparison.
~Pocus/Supreme Kai/Yakon comparison.
Edited by Master of Dragon Ball, May 20 2012, 01:04 AM.
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May 20 2012, 01:03 AM
~Whether Gohan can go SSj after Old Kai unlocks his power.
~Base Saiyans/Piccolo/Supreme Kai comparison.
~Kid Buu/Super Buu comparison.
~Pocus/Supreme Kai/Yakon comparison.
Oh lawdy. Now it's time for the controversy.

~Gohan cannot go SSJ after Old Kai unlocks his power canon-wise. GT-wise, he can.
~This really throws people in a loop, including me. With statements: Piccolo < Kaioshin < Base Saiyans
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I'm afraid I simply cannot explain it better than he did
~Kaioshin < Pocus < Yakon
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, May 20 2012, 01:08 AM.
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YOU'RE ALL FORGETTING THE BIGGEST ONE.

Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga)

This can be more disproven than actually proven.

Edited by GridZero, May 20 2012, 03:42 AM.
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GridZero
May 20 2012, 03:36 AM
This can be more disproven than actually proven.

That wasn't really necessary, as it applies to pretty much all the given scenarios, and it's really just your opinion.
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Let us not forget- out of Goku or Vegeta, which was the better protagonist.

The answer, of course, is Gogeta- or is it Vegetto?
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For Vegetto and Gogeta debate it should be : Why is Vegetto stronger than Gogeta ?

a) because he has rival boost which is reason why Vegeta is dominating in that fusion
b) because of rival boost and potara
c) because of potara
d) they are same persons so they are equal. Super Vegetto = SSJ Gogeta > SSJ3 Gotenks so they are equal. SSJ Goku is > SSJ3 Goten.
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Sorry, but no one telling Goku about the SSJ rule, and him saying he wanted 100% power to fight Oob isn't my opinion.

An opinion would be Enraged Oob ~ Kid Boo/Good Boo ; when there's not much to go off of.

Back on topic: Vegetto > Gogeta ; but I don't believe that the fusion gap is as big as everyone makes it out to be.
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May 20 2012, 03:34 PM
Sorry, but no one telling Goku about the SSJ rule, and him saying he wanted 100% power to fight Oob isn't my opinion.

An opinion would be Enraged Oob ~ Kid Boo/Good Boo ; when there's not much to go off of.

Back on topic: Vegetto > Gogeta ; but I don't believe that the fusion gap is as big as everyone makes it out to be.
I am sorry, my trollish friend, but did you not see when Goku eavesdropped into the conversation concerning the tournament? He knew about the rule, whether he was directly told or not. The weakling Gohan yelled "Gohan, you dope!" and Goku was surprised that the weakling Goten could go SSj. Right after, the weakling Vegeta yells at Goku that that was "a cheap shot", and Goku says "Don't yell at me" as if he was the one who broke the rule. Obviously he knew about it, and if he did not, he found out right there considering Gohan and Vegeta's comments. Goku knows all, trolly friend. All.
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Common sense also dictates that he could be telling Vegeta to not yell at him because he wasn't the one who went SSJ.

Again, there isn't solid proof Goku knows of the SSJ rule. Goku eavesdropping is an assumption.

Try again.
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Common sense also dictates that he could be telling Vegeta to not yell at him because he wasn't the one who went SSJ.

But why would Goku need to defend himself agaisnt that anyway? Obviously he knows that turning Super Saiyan is bad here.
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The logic is simple.

Vegeta: That was a cheapshot!

Goku: I didn't go Super Saiyan, don't blame me for Goten's mishap.

Whether Goku was thinking about the SSJ rule there is an assumption, once again.

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May 20 2012, 04:46 PM
Common sense also dictates that he could be telling Vegeta to not yell at him because he wasn't the one who went SSJ.

Again, there isn't solid proof Goku knows of the SSJ rule. Goku eavesdropping is an assumption.

Try again.
No, you try again, troll. I said if he did not know up to that point, he did after. He is not completely stupid. He would have figured it out after that.
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May 20 2012, 04:58 PM
GridZero
May 20 2012, 04:46 PM
Common sense also dictates that he could be telling Vegeta to not yell at him because he wasn't the one who went SSJ.

Again, there isn't solid proof Goku knows of the SSJ rule. Goku eavesdropping is an assumption.

Try again.
No, you try again, troll. I said if he did not know up to that point, he did after. He is not completely stupid. He would have figured it out after that.
You can't prove that.

(See what I did there?)

Try again.
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