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SSJ3 Gogeta vs Base Vegetto
Topic Started: May 17 2012, 03:16 PM (5,653 Views)
GridZero
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I think Toei just puts their blatant fanboyism for Goku more into the films, but somewhat stays true to power levels.

In the anime though, it's absolutely crazy. They created so many plotholes with filler, power and storyline alike.
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I dont know. Toei i realy messd up when it comes to storyline or giving right power level. GT is just proof of what Toei realy is because logicly AT didnt made gt storyline and power incrises.

Atleast they should make movies to be more like manga but those peoples probably dont care about original storyline.
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Nah, they don't. GT is proof of that.

At least for the movies, I don't see anything that's ridiculously out of place. Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Goku ; movie wise, so that's why I was asking about Toei logic.
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This thread makes me so confused about power levels.
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Few power examples from dbz movies i know :

Movie 6 : SSJ Goku > 1 Meta Cooler, 1 Meat Cooler > Kamicolo.
Movie 7 : SSjins > Kamiccolo.
Movie 8 : SSJ Goku > SSJ Trunks = SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Gohan = Piccolo
Movie 12 : SSJ Gogeta > Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku > Fat Janemba > SSJ Gotenks > Fat boo
Movie 13 : SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta = SSJ3 Gotenks = Mystic Gohan


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Goku/Vegeta/Gotenks aren't stronger than Mystic Gohan in Movie 13. That's the perception because they did better than him because Goku found his weakness while Gohan didn't.
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Gohan already knowed his weakens but couldnt do anything. Goku stands up tranforms and kills him. Gohan even says that he has weakness in japanese version, but Goku says i know !
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I don't know, maybe Goku figured out what it actually was?

Of course he has a weakness, everything does. That's the best I can come up with, lol.
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GridZero
May 18 2012, 09:34 PM
I don't know, maybe Goku figured out what it actually was?

Of course he has a weakness, everything does. That's the best I can come up with, lol.
From movie 12 :

Gohan fighthing lower half :

I get it! He becomes solid momentarly when he attacks!

Gohan beaten up :

Father! His weakenss is ... !

Goku :

I know! I can only beat him during the instant he becomes solid as he attacks!
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That wasn't the real weakness though, right?

It was that Hindeguann (sorry if I didn't spell right) preys on fear, and that's why he's so strong.

IIRC, it wasn't anything about him becoming solid.
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Pretty much "solid momentarly when he attacks" means that he gets weaker or off guard which is the reason Goku manged to beat him.

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GridZero
May 18 2012, 06:54 PM
I'm talking about Toei logic, in accordance to this film, not the anime.

Toei anime logic is just absurd.
not to mention that it was all filler. all the fights in DBZ were extended for posterity in the anime.

Goku and Vegeta made statements in the anime they didnt make in the manga.

Toei logic isnt that SSj goku> SSj3 goten, SSj3 goten doesnt exist.

SSJ3 goku even said in the anime that he couldnt take Super buu on, people also use the excuse goku is as strong as super buu just because he powered down and said,

Oh, even Gohan could take you by himself now.

taken WAYYYYY out of context. It simply meant that being the hope of the universe again without fusion was now gohans role once again. Not vegetto.
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ssj3 gogeta dominates against base Vegito because SSj gogeta beater super janemba easily and ssj2 gogeta will be way stronger and ssj3 gogeta would beat base Vegito without breaking a sweat

Gogeta takes this one
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GridZero
May 18 2012, 09:07 PM
Goku/Vegeta/Gotenks aren't stronger than Mystic Gohan in Movie 13. That's the perception because they did better than him because Goku found his weakness while Gohan didn't.
Goku tanked Hirudegarn's punch before mentioning any weakness, I believe, while Gohan was smacked around with ease.

Anyway, I think Base Vegetto would stomp SSjin 3 Gogeta. I don't think Super Janemba is anywhere near Evil Boo's league, since I use manga logic with movies unless there is absolutely no way to do so, and I have an immense gap between SSjin 3 Goku and Evil Boo that Janemba could fit into.

Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks >> SSjin Gogeta (M12) > SSjin Gogeta (Boo) > SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> [Base Gotenks (post), Super Janemba (full power)] >> SSjin Gotenks (expected) > [SSjin Gotenks (pre), Super Janemba (suppressed)] > SSjin 3 Goku

That's how I see it using manga logic.
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Well if we're using manga logic, then I'll just say this.

Goku thought SSJ3 could hold off Buutenks long enough for Gohan to find the potara earrings. By simple logic, we know Mystic Gohan >> SSJ3 Goku, and from the film logic we know SSJ Janemba >> SSJ3 Goku.

There's seriously not much to go off of here, because nobody but a SSJ3 Goku/SSJ Vegeta got a try at Janemba. Super Janemba could literally be anywhere from Dark Purple Boo to Buutenks to Boohan, it's all a matter of how you want to look at it.

But again, the thought of Vegetto in his base being able to own Gogeta in SSJ3 is absurd.

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