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| Strawberry | Jun 10 2012, 06:37 PM Post #91 |
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Which team won? I wanted to watch this match too, but forgot. >_> |
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| + Pelador | Jun 10 2012, 06:59 PM Post #92 |
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It was a 1-1 draw. |
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| * Bex | Jun 10 2012, 07:54 PM Post #93 |
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Croatia are absolutely destroying Ireland. It was a nice moment when Ireland equalized but they've lost two goals since then, I wonder what they're going to do. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Jun 10 2012, 08:55 PM Post #94 |
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Awww I really wanted Ireland to win. Didn't expect Croatia to manage 3 against them. Ireland could still go through, I feel like Spain and Italy both aren't that strong, although I think Spain will probably beat Croatia. I think Ireland could beat Italy and draw with Spain honestly. As for Spain and Italy I thought Spain should've won it, they seemed more comfortable on the ball and had more possession. Can't wait for the France game.... |
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| * Bex | Jun 10 2012, 09:05 PM Post #95 |
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I'm going out tomorrow to watch it with friends at the pub. I don't think Ireland have much of a chance. Spain will pick up their game at some point and Italy seem to be in good form, so it'll be a scramble between Croatia, Italy and Spain for first and second. Ireland are out unless they can scrape miraculous wins against Italy and Spain which is not that likely. |
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| Pookie | Jun 11 2012, 12:52 AM Post #96 |
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@Wolf- I have to disagree with you that Spain and Italy are not very strong teams. Spain tried something different today by having Fabregas up front. I'm not sure what the managers plan was, but I think he was trying to tire Italy out because they are mainly known for defending. I'm pretty sure if they had Torres or Llorente striking from the beginning it would have been a different ball game. At the end when the put Torres and Navas in, they started getting more chances because those are the type of mental players that want to go for goal whereas the midfielders we had in the game wanted to create chanced. Granted Italy did get some chances as well and almost won the game themselves. Spain have depth. If they want to add more pace, they can do so. They are very versatile when it comes to the players they have. Saying they are not that impressive, is kinda odd in my opinion especially after one game against a tough defending Italian team? I was getting very annoyed with some English announcers today, no offense to anyone. I usually enjoy listening to English announcers very much because they are interesting to listen too, but today they were getting on my nerves with this constant "pace" idea and their downgrading of Spain after one match. Yes, Torres would have added more dynamic to the game if he had been in it since the beginning, but I thought Spain was passing very well. The players, besides Iniesta, didn't have that sense of urgency until Italy scored and the fact that they had all midfielders was the reason they didn't strike more often. They all wanted to pass it off instead of trying to shoot. I think Spain is not as good as they were four years ago I'll agree, but they can certainly still play at a high level that most teams will have trouble contending with. Why I was annoyed with the comments about pace? Most intelligent players like vanlisteroy, berbotov, iniesta, xavi, gerrard, terry, van persie, raul, etc. do not need to be pacey in order to beat another team. I really hope England doesn't go with that mentality against France that pace is everything because France has plenty of pace on their side so it is going to be a matter of who has better skill and who can control the ball more. As for Italy, Italy have experienced players that know how to get the job done. I'm pretty sure there are few teams in the cup that can stop Di Natale. Pirlo is an absolute wall. I see Croatia and Ireland having to play at their best to beat Italy. @Viddy- Gomez is a deadly striker. He scores goals which is basically what he does. He does not score pretty goals, but he gets the job done. I thought Germany played okay, but they weren't playing at their best. As for Netherlands, I still think they are a contender in this tournament. They lost one game. If you remember Spain in the World Cup, they lost against Switzerland in the first match and went on to win it. The only problem with Netherlands is their defense. I see them having issues in the back. Edited by Pookie, Jun 11 2012, 12:55 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Jun 11 2012, 02:34 AM Post #97 |
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Absolutely gutted, thought we had a real chance as well. Oh well, might just have to enjoy these next two games and pray that England will get out of their group, so at least one of my teams does well. |
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| * Bex | Jun 11 2012, 02:55 AM Post #98 |
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Gomez misses more shots than he scores though Ana. He's only good playing for a team like Bayern Munich or Germany because the rest of the team is world class. They set up the chances time and time again and yeah, eventually he'll get one of them in, when somebody like Higuain or Karim Benzema for example, both Real Madrid players, would knock home at least double or triple the chances, making the goal talley 2 or 3 to nothing rather than 1. Also, the thing about pace is always hit and miss, but I'd argue that actually Ruud Van Nistelrooy had a lot of pace in his prime. He could run a ball up from inside the Manchester United half and put that in the back of the net on his own with relatively little difficulty. If he didn't have the pace he wouldn't even be back that far. The rest I would agree with though. The brazilian Ronaldo was also horrible pace wise yet he scored hundreds of goals. As far as English commentary goes though Ana, the stuff about pace isn't scratching the surface. ITV constantly puts out stupid commentary and punditry, the one person I ever agree with is Roy Keane and that's because he's a serious professional at whatever he does. The commentators make stupid remarks during games and Adrian Chiles makes childish and even stupider remarks after the games - something which seems to also be affecting the BBC more these days as well. Only a select few commentators and pundits say anything sensible anymore, the rest just think they can get away with making stupid jokes and slagging off other teams. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 11 2012, 03:06 AM Post #99 |
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I think the worst commentator is Graham Taylor. Andy Townsend gets on my nerves as well. Thinks he knows way more about football than he really does. |
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| Pookie | Jun 11 2012, 04:06 AM Post #100 |
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Pacey players are effective, but soccer is not all just about pace. I can name plenty of players that are not pacey and are still effective. About Gomez, from what I see he is a big target. I don't think he did that bad against Portugal. I think Ronaldo did a lot worse than Gomez and he does not get as much criticism. Gomez does have world class midfielders passing it to him, but it takes skill to put the ball in the back of the net. If he really was that bad, he wouldn't have been at the right place to put a header in. American Commentators about soccer aren't that great either so I'm not just hating on English ones. American ones always try to glamorize America in some way even though America is not even in the Eurocup. I didn't like the way the English commentators commented on the Spanish game today. I like listening to their historical facts and how they portray a team in most matches that I've watched them commentate on. They really hated on Spain and really praised Italy. I'm not sure why that was. I usually don't have an issue with them, but today I did. The only players they tend to have respected was Torres because he was in the Premier League, but even he was criticized by them. There was no escaping their comments and unfortunately I had to listen to them throughout the game. Even HustLa was a little interested in what they were saying and he usually doesn't pay attention to that stuff. He didn't say much about it, but he did say they were hating just a bit. |
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| * Light | Jun 11 2012, 09:24 AM Post #101 |
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It's because Spain are world champions, before the 2008 tournament where Spain had perhaps been underachievers it was easy for neutrals to enjoy them, whereas now they are the number one team in the world pundits and the like are looking for criticisms, it's not really fair but until another team takes Spain's mantle it'll continue. I really like sky sports commentators, Alan Smith and co are brilliant and Gary Neville within one season of being a pundit has already endeared himself to me as one of the sharpest minds and most interesting, Southgate is a very knowledgeable pundit too but a little boring but ITV and BBC have absolutely terrible commentators who know little and to top it off have very bad knowledge on name pronunciations which is unforgivable. On top of that the English game is very focused on speed and power, the premier league is the most physical football league but until recently technical skill has been neglected and I think finally the fans are starting to realise that a good athlete doesn't make a footballer at international level. I thought Fabregas up front in a fake number 9 role was risky. Barcelona do it with him but they have Messi who is more prolific than any striker so it's a different ball game. Silva and Iniesta, for all their talent aren't goalscorers, Iniesta will get goals and certainly in big games but he's not going to make up for playing a mid up front. I thought the Italians were very smart with their defending, keep the play narrow and push the Spanish to the wings where there is no point doing any high crossing. Llorente I think should be given the nod to start (though he won't be) as not only is he a Genius in the air, he's a brilliant link up player. On Gomez, I think he is a player who has limitations, compared to other top strikers his shortcomings can be pretty bad but at such a brilliant goal scoring ratio (for Munich) it'd be hard to leave him out, even though Klose is like for like he adds a bit more composure, as a wildcard Marco Reus can play striker and destroys them both in terms of speed and dribbling. Holland deserved a win, even if Kjaer and Agger were both brilliant it was more down to RVP, Huntelaar and Robben's wasteful finishing than a inspired Denmark team that the press are pushing. Germany weren't very good and were about equal with Portugal but if a team plays only on par with the Germans, the Germans will win. Croatia play a fairly nice slick football but probably won't exit the group. |
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| Pookie | Jun 11 2012, 01:47 PM Post #102 |
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I understand that Spain is a top notch team and they are going to be criticized, but I've seen plenty of Brazilian games and they are always praised for their talent. The commentators yesterday were very biased and severely on Italy's side. It was very difficult to enjoy the match when they were making remarks that were quite infuriating. Croatia is no easy team. I've always said it in the past. I think they are highly underestimated. Spain and Italy cannot go into the match thinking they will win because if they do, they will most likely lose. Spain has a tendency of being lack a daisy when it comes to their opponents and I don't think Croatia is a team you can do that with. Netherlands will move on the group. I think in the next two games they will play with more urgency knowing that they must win to continue on. You'll see them more effective. They have the team to go far so I don't see them losing another game. As for Gomez, I really like him as a striker. He is just one of those guys that will put it in the net from anywhere at any given chance. All the games I've seen him in he just pops out of nowhere. I say Germany are safe sticking with him until things aren't so well for them. For some reason, I have a feeling an unexpected team are going to win the Euros. I don't think Spain will win even though I really want them too. I'm saying a wild card will win it like Greece did in 2004. It seems like teams that are unexpected to win are coming out with wins. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 11 2012, 02:43 PM Post #103 |
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I can see Gerrard scoring at least once today. He is very good at scoring from distance with big power shots. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Jun 11 2012, 03:16 PM Post #104 |
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Gerrard was already my favourite player for years, but he's just grown on me even more as England captain. Every interview with him gives me hope. I don't know if he'll go for those long distance shots today, maybe he'll try to pass it around and let the younger players get more chances, but if we struggle to score then I think he'll have a go. I'm going with Sweden getting the win in the other game today. I'm not convinced that Netherlands will go through. I think it'll be Germany and Denmark. |
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| Pookie | Jun 11 2012, 03:44 PM Post #105 |
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All I have to say about Sweden is.... IIIIIIIIIIIIBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAHIMOVIC!!!! |
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