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Goku vs Goku
Topic Started: May 15 2012, 02:16 PM (3,702 Views)
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Vegeta SSJ2
May 16 2012, 04:47 PM
Base Goku EOZ stomps.
So you have Base Goku ( Boo saga ) who trains 7 years weaker than FPSSJ Goku ( Cell games ).

Why is Base Goku ( EoZ ) > FPSSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) ?
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May 16 2012, 04:58 PM
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May 16 2012, 04:47 PM
Base Goku EOZ stomps.
So you have Base Goku ( Boo saga ) who trains 7 years weaker than FPSSJ Goku ( Cell games ).

Why is Base Goku ( EoZ ) > FPSSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) ?
That...can't even be proven without a shadow of a doubt.

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Well everyone agrees that FPSSJ Goku ( Cell games ) > Base Goku ( Boo saga ) who trains 7 years.

I am just wondering. Why peoples put Base Goku ( EoZ ) stronger than FPSSJ Goku ( Boo saga ) or even SSJ3 Goku ( Boo saga ) ?

I mean if he didnt surpassed his base self in 7 years, how could he surpass him in 10 years ?

Also how can he surpass SSJ3 Goku who is minimal 400x of base.

Any logical gain over 10 years because everyone agrees 7 years isnt enough to be close to FPSSJ level.



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Here we go again...

Base Goku (EoZ) is not on par with SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga)

People put him there because of statements made, but there's no solid proof. Plus, the statements made can easily be argued against by canon.
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There is fan made statment where sayians are not using SSJ forms on last world tournament in EoZ.
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They never told Goku about the SSJ rule 10 years ago to begin with. The Saiyans, and even the humans don't need to go Full Power to beat the competitors at the World Tournament.

Whether or not they were going to use the SSJ rule at the EoZ World Tournament is up to interpretation. What is not up to interpretation is the fact that Goku was going to need ''100% Power'' to beat Oob, who is supposed to be ~ Kid Boo.

How does Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga), if he needs 100% Power/SSJ3 to beat Kid Boo/Oob, who isn't in another dimension in terms of power from Fat Boo?
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Yes Goku did sad someone else ( Oob ) could win the tournament. He pretty much sad that he is not sure if SSJ3 is enough to beat Oob ( Kid boo) in powers.

Also he fought Kid buu in SSJ3 Full power because he whanted to damage Kid buu so that Vegeta can have a chance i guess, but he couldnt do it.

So pretty much he is not sure if SSJ3 full power is enough to beat someone like Oob ( Kid boo ) before he realized Oob is no where near Kid boo level.


Which means we saw peak of Full power SSJ3 Goku against Kid boo.

Base Goku EoZ is not strongest Goku we saw. Right ?
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I'd say SSJ3 Goku is the strongest Goku we've seen in canon.
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Well yea its logical. If Goku 7 years couldnt surpass FPSSJ Goku, how can he surpass SSJ3 Goku Boo saga in just base, who is minimal 400x of base.

Realy when you think about it, its because of GT. No other explanation.
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May 16 2012, 05:53 PM
Well yea its logical. If Goku 7 years couldnt surpass FPSSJ Goku, how can he surpass SSJ3 Goku Boo saga in just base, who is minimal 400x of base.

Realy when you think about it, its because of GT. No other explanation.
Heavily agreed.

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You could just keep assuming it's because of GT. I don't consider that part of the series when doing Z levels unless I'm directly leading into it.
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I'm not assuming it's GT.

There are reasons why, based off EoZ you might think that SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga) ~ Base Goku (EoZ), but there's more evidence pointing away from it than there it pointing at it.

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Only evidence for Goku beeing SSJ3 level in just base is because he takes hit from Enraged ( Kid boo ) Oob.

Again : Base Vegeta takes hits from Kid boo and didnt died. Also there is no proof that Enraged Oob is Kid boo true power. Maybe a glimps like Gohan did when he got enraged. Gohan never got acces to Mystic power up when he was enraged.

So again another proof that crushes theory of Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku and Enraged Oob = Kid boo.

Btw like i sad SSJ rules is fan made for EoZ and most important no one told Goku, and Goku whanted to test his SSJ3 ability because he fought Kid boo at full power and couldnt damage him. Second time he probably tryed to get to full power so that he can win in instant like Vegeta sad.

Maybe full power instant kamehameha would be perfect because Kid boo cant track speed of light and Goku has 100% chance in hitting him like that.
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May 16 2012, 06:37 PM
Only evidence for Goku beeing SSJ3 level in just base is because he takes hit from Enraged ( Kid boo ) Oob.

Again : Base Vegeta takes hits from Kid boo and didnt died. Also there is no proof that Enraged Oob is Kid boo true power. Maybe a glimps like Gohan did when he got enraged. Gohan never got acces to Mystic power up when he was enraged.

So again another proof that crushes theory of Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku and Enraged Oob = Kid boo.

Btw like i sad SSJ rules is fan made for EoZ and most important no one told Goku, and Goku whanted to test his SSJ3 ability because he fought Kid boo at full power and couldnt damage him. Second time he probably tryed to get to full power so that he can win in instant like Vegeta sad.

Maybe full power instant kamehameha would be perfect because Kid boo cant track speed of light and Goku has 100% chance in hitting him like that.
Yeah, you summed it up very nicely. The SSJ rule is fan made for EoZ. Best way of putting it.
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Goku still knew about it somehow, or his reaction to Vegeta getting angry at Goten transforming would've made no sense.

I still think it doesn't matter if EOZ Base Goku ~ SSjin 3 Goku (@Pure Boo). BOGT Base Goku is around Evil Boo's power and skyrockets past Gohan-Boo by the time he finishes his battles in space. It would be an unimaginable jump in power regardless of where he was at the end of Z.
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