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SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku; End of Z
Topic Started: May 11 2012, 02:13 PM (7,445 Views)
Paikuan extreme
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and yet, goku knowingly pissed Uub off and then took him on in base form.

so much for the not having a super saiyan rule OR thinking goku wouldnt take Uub on in front of everyone instead of privately if he were dangerous.

which is what goku would have done if Uub was a threat.

he also said that he would need to train him in order to get to full strength, which doesnt mean much considering how much more powerful Uub was than pure kid buu when he remerged with good buu.

Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 13 2012, 07:21 PM.
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May 13 2012, 07:10 PM
and yet, goku knowingly pissed Uub off and then took him on in base form.

so much for the not having a super saiyan rule OR thinking goku wouldnt take Uub on in front of everyone instead of privately if he were dangerous.

which is what goku would have done if Uub was a threat.

he also said that he would need to train him in order to get to full strength, which doesnt mean much considering how much more powerful Uub was than pure kid buu when he remerged with good buu.

You use 50x multiply for SSJ ?
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only the initial transformation, after that its anywhere from 2 to 4 x SSj base power.

SSj= x50

ssj2= x 2 -2.2 of SSj

SSj3= x4 of SSJ

or 400x base form.
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So you use Base Goku EoZ x50 for SSJ ?
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what difference does EOZ make when the Initial SSj transformation is stated to be 50x MAX base?
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The diffrence is , if you use base that gets stronger all the time and SSJ 50x all the time it doesnt make sence.

Only logical thing is if you have limits which means they stop on some level and then they transform, or you use 5 fold for base after Goku or someone tranforms first time. Then multiply is 10x and base is getting stronger. After some time he tranforms again and 10x multiply for SSJ becomes 5x and for SSJ2 its 10x.

Other way it just doesnt make sence.
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no the initial transformation DOES make sense, especially since its a power adder, not power maker.

the stronger YOU get? the stronger your transformation.

so you cant just say that since goku got stronger his transformation no longer boosts him past 50x his normal base level, its whatever he is at the time, thats how they get stronger, and the same reason why everyone thinks he is as strong as his buu saga self.

Goku should be strong enough to take on his buu saga self in SSJ.
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End of Z is not using GT logic.
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May 14 2012, 02:26 PM
The diffrence is , if you use base that gets stronger all the time and SSJ 50x all the time it doesnt make sence.

Only logical thing is if you have limits which means they stop on some level and then they transform, or you use 5 fold for base after Goku or someone tranforms first time. Then multiply is 10x and base is getting stronger. After some time he tranforms again and 10x multiply for SSJ becomes 5x and for SSJ2 its 10x.

Other way it just doesnt make sence.
I don't think I understand what you're claiming here, correct me if I'm wrong.

Are you saying that there is a peak for base, SSJ, SSJ2 etc?

If so then there are a lot of issues, what would be the point in fighting in base if you can't get any stronger? How does Goku survive a blow from Oob in base?
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Goku tests Oob in base. He doesnt nead to go SSJ3 from begining if he doesnt know how strong is Oob.

Something like SSJ2 Goku that knows he cant beat Fat buu so he goes SSJ3.

Btw Oob enraged doesnt mean he taped in power like Kid buu had. With that logic Gohan taped in Mystic Gohan powers when he gets enraged. Is this true or not ?

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How do you explain Vegeta taking blows and not just one blow ? Kid buu is playing even with SSJ2 Vegeta which here puts Kid buu on SSJ3 tier and Vegeta is only in base.

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There's no evidence stating that Oob Enraged ~ Kid Boo, and there's no evidence against it.

It's up to interpretation.
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There is no such thing as Base after many years = SSJ3 level. Its to much Gt in this logic.

There is evidence where Goku might loose against Oob so he should be at 100% (SSJ3) like Oob because he whants to see who is realy stronger between them.
Also there is evidence that he will train him so that he can get match he whanted. Not that bull***** logic where Base Goku GT fights equal with Oob.
To much peoples use Toei logic and i noticed it. Example : everyone who doesnt belive that Gohan was SSJ2 after world tournament says that Gohan neads to be enraged to go SSJ2. Toei makes it clear in movie 9 where Goku says: get angry and draw strenght from anger = SSJ2.

Thats why its Kid Gohan SSJ2 ( enraged ) in Cell games, not Kid Gohan SSJ2. He got enraging because Cell pushed him on that level, but he achived tranformation without anger powers. Gohan changes when he tranforms because every time he tranformed was because he was angry in toei world.
That evidence crushes every other. Mystic Gohan is the strongest unfused character at EoZ.
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super veggeto as far as the strongest unfused character in z that's a toss up

can by eoz gohan fight probably not very well, can he even still have that mystic form or does it die away because he had his potential unlocked but didn't use it so does it go away kinda like how a when u learn to ride a bike supposedly u never forget or like u study hard and became smart at math but because u didn't continue to study does that knowledge disappear

so like gohan you cant tell if he still has that insane power

plus goku trained for ten years how big was his power growth you cant tell probably not insane but still big

as for this fight its a tie or goku wins
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Gohan is the strongest unfused character. Gohan is born with his dorment powers that surpass everyones dorment powers.

Gohan got unlocked his dorment powers and he has acces to them at will ( which means no more enraging to get stronger ).

He cant loose dorment powers because he is born with them.
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i dunno maybe after so many years of not fighting he becomes weaker

yea he has big potential and it was unlocked but i think that after a lot of time he got weaker

like if any other fighter that did not train for ten years they would get weak just like he would and i think does

any ways that my two cents i could be wrong but i dont believe so
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