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May 11 2012, 01:24 AM Post #1 |
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Going off of EoZ here. Not taking into consideration bloated power levels that can't be justified. I might also be forgetting a bunch of characters, so GT fanatics, have at it. Gogeta > Shenron > Goku > Vegeta > Majuub > Gohan > Rildo > Trunks ~ Mr. Boo > Goten >>> Piccolo > Pan I know it needs a lot of work, but would that be accurate, without major GT overpowering? |
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| Kblo247 | May 11 2012, 02:42 AM Post #2 |
 
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Piccolo and Pan go before Rildo by the shadow dragon arc. Trunks already stated she was stronger, Goku agreed, and Baby outright said Trunks and her were worlds away from Goten whose SSJ power wasnt even half of their power in space. Baby SSJ Gohan tells SSJ Baby Goten don't even try to fight her, as he has to, and then he charges energy to do so. In fact a blast from SSJ Goten that was charged just dirtied her clothes and made her mad cause she was expecting a golden homecoming Gogeta >>>>> Omega >>> Goku > Vegeta >>>> Majuub ~ Gohan > Piccolo > Pan > Cell > Frieza > Rildo > Trunks >> Baby >>>>> Goten > Buu > Bulla > 18 > Tien ~ Krillin > Yamcha > Roshi > Chi Chi > Videl > Satan Edited by Kblo247, May 11 2012, 02:45 AM.
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May 11 2012, 02:47 AM Post #3 |
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You know, I thought about that Rildo thing, but the mere thought of Pan > Good Boo makes me cringe. Pan being that powerful is basically an overpowering in my eyes that can't be justified, if we're going off of the Z Manga. There's literally no reason she should be that strong. Sure, she loves training, which helps, but her Saiyan blood is diluted and she's seriously just a child. Even younger than Gohan when he got SSJ2. Edit: The fact that Pan can't go Super Saiyan doesn't help me look at her any better either. That excuse in the GT Perfect Files is laughable. Edited by GridZero, May 11 2012, 02:50 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | May 11 2012, 03:15 AM Post #4 |
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I hate how weak they made Goten compared to Trunks, they should be about equal thats how they were always portrayed. I'm not really sure what you mean by "going off Eoz" either. Do you mean where you think they all should have ended up based on how Z ended and not taking into account what happened in GT? Or something else? |
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| Kblo247 | May 11 2012, 03:17 AM Post #5 |
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The fact about Pan is she is not afraid to fight Mr Buu at the EoZ tourney, and none of the others were for her, while Trunks and Goten didn't want to and Goku/Vegeta both dismissed them having a shot at hell in doingnsomsuccessfully with the SSJ rule in place. Logically the blood may be diluted, but that just means more human emotion which as we know from Gohan is huge when it comes to saiyans. In GT it is basically stated Pan spent all the time training between the gap and being a serious fighter. She also outright says she is aware of the fact her emotions can boost her power much like her dads could always be boosted by them, and she admits she has control when tapping into that enraged power ala Gohan vs Cell after she killed a Sigma, just had no reason to show off and do it before which is why Gill didn't have it in his data Plus her father was Mystic. If SSJ could be passed down to be easy to obtain like with the boys, there is no reason to think it couldn't be passed down to her thus making SSJ harder to obtain. Let's just ignore Toriyama admittedly not knowing how he wanted a girl SSJ to look when GT was created. |
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| Kblo247 | May 11 2012, 03:24 AM Post #6 |
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They were portrayed that way, but as Vegeta said peace times made them both soft to the point even Chi Chi agreed he needed to be sent away with Goku and get in some stuff to toughen up. Logically with Goku gone there was no real training hard for him as he was too busy dating. Trunks only got stronger because as Vegeta said before they left KAKAROT attracts trouble wherever he goes. After Muchy, Ledgic, the sigmas, Rildo, Muu, Paras, and Babyhe just progressed. And logically it was because of all the fighting, but the fact they were in so many different planets and environments helped his body and power like when saiyan dps were exposed to ROSAT, new gravity, and so on. To the credit of Goten, he put some training in between Z and Gt,, which is how he passed buu in his base. The thing is he just didn't care about fighting nor have the same family accountability Trunks had with Goku being an absentee dad. I mean even Bulla says the people from Hell and the Z fighters past are guys she could handle if she felt like it (logically not Rildo, but the Hakon, Cooler, Bojack, and so on contingent) |
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May 11 2012, 12:20 PM Post #7 |
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I was going to add power to the EoZ characters that seemed logical in my mind. Trunks ~ Goten ; EoZ, since Goten was now training with Goku. Now, Pan > Trunks ~ Goten in my eyes makes no sense because that'd mean Pan > Good Boo, when she did no special training (RoSaT), which would mean that her power level is haxed. I'm obviously not just going to disregard Pan though. After 5 years of training with Goku, I'd probably place her at about a low Dabura or lower Cell level, and even that's pushing it for me. Edit ; @Kblo: I get her becoming a serious fighter, and all that, and yes, her rage should boost her powers, but we're talking about Pan (who, again, didn't do any special training) somehow getting more powerful than Boo. With her rage calculated, she might be at a SPC level, and that's about as high as I could logically place her. Edited by GridZero, May 11 2012, 12:23 PM.
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| FamousBueller | May 11 2012, 08:41 PM Post #8 |
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How is it hard 2 believe? Pans father is gohan if gohans power mystic was lets say 10,000,000,000 i can see her being a million or 10 million easy If goten can be ssj & srrong as he was with training from chichi for 7 years pan can be even stronger, its not hard too believe Good buu is weak period, he lost majority of his power to evil buu So if fat buu was equal to ssj2majin vegeta after the split he would be strong as maybe a ssjmajin vegeta Good buu didnt train so by gt its not hard to believe goten, trunks & pan passed him |
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May 11 2012, 08:45 PM Post #9 |
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Gohan being Mystic really shouldn't help Pan. His Saiyan genes should, but there's nothing that indicates and nothing that backs up that Mystic could be passed down. At EoZ: Good Boo > Goten, and Goten slacked off on his training to date girls. How would he be more powerful? |
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| FamousBueller | May 11 2012, 08:50 PM Post #10 |
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Nothing states goten was weaker than buu does it? Maybe he was scared to fight someone equal to him? Maybe boo was stronger but does anyone actually say "buu is stronger than goten"? |
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May 11 2012, 08:53 PM Post #11 |
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Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P1.3 Context: after Goten and Boo are matched up in the tournament's first round Goten: “Th-that can’t be! How can I go up against Boo right in the first round?!” Goku: “It’s only a problem because you keep slacking off in your training. It being a problem probably means Goten can't beat him. |
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| FamousBueller | May 11 2012, 09:00 PM Post #12 |
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Thats proof that goten could win if he focused & put his mind to it but i agree he gets weaker by gt EOZ buu Trunks = Goten Pan GT Pan enraged Buu Pan Trunks Goten That i believe is corrected |
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| Kblo247 | May 11 2012, 09:49 PM Post #13 |
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He doesn't get weaker at all they train after Goku asked them to before leaving with Uub. The thing that hurt Goten was the 3 saiyans left earth, Vegeta/Gohan keep their focus, and he chose to chill out and date in gt. Goten did enough work to be superior to end of Z and Buu in his base. He just took a year off when everyone was gone, but even still he felt his SSJ form was like Super Buu/Gotenks ssj3 level which was a huge gain for his solo state. It jut so happened Vegeta and Gohan were so far ahead and Pan/Trunks got the benefit of getting in countless trouble with Goku to the point there was a valley between him and them. Edited by Kblo247, May 11 2012, 09:51 PM.
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May 18 2012, 03:12 AM Post #14 |
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There's no way Piccolo and Son Pan are that weak. Pan was probably that weak at the beginning of GT but she powers up constantly throughout GT. By the time they're on M2 Trunks already believes she's surpassed him, which is supported by her being completely unaffected by a blast from SSjin Goten-Baby on Earth. By the Evil Dragon arc she's able to dodge attacks from and mock Qi Xing Long, who SSjin 4 Goku apparently cannot tank or one-shot, not to mention her being absorbed by him causes him to dominate SSjin 4 Goku (Loss of Shouki and Yuuki.) |
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| Kblo247 | May 18 2012, 05:07 AM Post #15 |
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You going to make me want to hug you broski! Great examples and I agree with them? I also noticed that in my power chain I overlooked Yajirobe and and Chiaotzu again |
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