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| MSSJ Goku Vs Cell ( power equalised ) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 25 2012, 01:50 AM (1,244 Views) | |
| + Ryebrid | Apr 25 2012, 01:50 AM Post #1 |
 
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As in Full Power MSSJ Goku = Full Power Perfect Cell Does Goku's skill reign supreme over Cell or is his ability to regenerate just to much for him? Edited by Ryebrid, Apr 25 2012, 01:51 AM.
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| CRYPTIC | Apr 25 2012, 01:55 AM Post #2 |
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Cells ability to regnerate would outlast him. Plus Cell has Gokus cells so his fighting skills would automatically be on par with gokus. Also I think Cell could learn techniques so eventually he could adapt to gokus fighting style. |
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| Billa | Apr 25 2012, 04:32 AM Post #3 |
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I would agree with CRYPTIC, but allow me to give my point of views. 1st, you've gotta specify here pal, wether its a Beam Struggle or somewhat Goku vs Cell, which was pure tactical/technique based. As you can see pal, MSSJ or the way I call it, FPSSJ is the perfection of SSJ state to its core. Rage is controlled/maintained, power, stamina as well as speed conservation. So, it removes all the strains present in ASSJ & USSJ, thus allows its user to access power boost greater then even an ASSJ, resultin in strategical fightin style. Full Power Perfect Cell's regeneration ability aside, his genetic compositions are his most definin traits durin his fight. For instance, when he first fought Piccolo in Ginger Town, he was just as cunning as well as smart as Piccolo. As when he was in his Semi-form & fought Vegeta, he had the typical arrogance as well as never-say-die attitude exhibited by Vegeta durin many circumstances. Now, in his Perfect Form, Cell was simply cool, had a laid-back nature as well as the drive to fight stronger opponents, similar to Son Goku. So, in this fight, it would almost like Goku vs Cloned Goku for the most part, though Son Goku's Instant Transmission would come in handy, as it painfully hurts me to admit the truth, Cell takes this...Curses.... |
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| InterWebZ | Apr 25 2012, 04:51 AM Post #4 |
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Cell takes it. He has all Goku's techniques and more, and his regeneration is a major advantage- any damage Cell can do to Goku is permanent, whereas Cell is unfazed by anything that doesn't kill him outright. In addition, Cell gets Zenkais simply by being hurt and regenerating; Goku has to wait until he heals. That essentially means that Cell gets more of an advantage every time he does any damage to Goku, whereas Goku injuring Cell actually puts him at a disadvantage unless he is able to one-shot him, which if they have equal PL's will be extremely difficult. |
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| + Ryebrid | Apr 25 2012, 10:31 AM Post #5 |
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Cell knew Goku's Kamehameha but witnessed by piccolo, it was very dismal in comparison to Goku's or even anyone elses.
Cell's not a Majin though, he only ever learnt the Instant Transmission from Goku and thats because his body was in direct contact with Goku. Was also completely involuntary.
You answered your own question that shouldn't need an answer to begin with.
Again Cell is not a Majin. Any damage done to Cell is permanent just like damage done to Piccolo is permanent. The only advantage it beholds is if a limb is destroyed or blown off ( minus the head- still doesn't make sense in Cell's case though  ) he can regenerate a fresh one suitable for fighting. Though it acts as a double edged sword as it hinders him due to the energy he requires too regenerate.
You have to be near death to experience a Zenkai as a Saiyan or half breed or a biological monster. Being hurt doesn't do jack otherwise Cell would of recieved a small Zenkai after Goku and Cell's fight in the original show. And besides that, this is one fight only, to the death. When will there be time to heal?
Majin's regen =/= Cell's regen = Piccolo's regen Near Death =/= Damage = Being Hurt The only problem Cell's regen inflicts is how Goku has to go about the fight. He cant lack in any aspect though he also has to destroy Cell with one mighty blow otherwise he'll end up just like his anime/ manga counterpart was, drained of energy and unable to fight. IMO Goku is a better fighter than Cell. Cell has the data, though it doesn't means he knows how to use it instantly, he isn't an android he's an organic being. Goku's IT gives him a huge advantage. Edited by Ryebrid, Apr 25 2012, 10:36 AM.
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| InterWebZ | Apr 25 2012, 01:21 PM Post #6 |
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On more than one occasion, SSJ2 Gohan hit perfect Cell hard enough to make him cough up blood, and every time he was back at full power within a few seconds. While Piccolo is indeed knocked out by internal damage, Cell isn't. His regeneration might not be as good as Buu's, but it is still better than Piccolo's. Piccolo does, incidentally, seem to have better healing than a human (he was heavily damaged in the fight against Cooler, but was at full strength by the time Goku had finished the fight). Cell seems to have the same abilities but more efficient, much in the same way that he regenerates lost limbs in seconds, whereas Piccolo can take anything up to a few minutes.
No you don't. You have to be injured and recover from it. Being more heavily injured gives a greater Zenkai, but lighter injuries still give one. There is nothing to suggest Cell didn't get a small Zenkai before going up against Gohan- even without one he still would have outlcassed MSSJ Gohan, and even with one he still wouldn't have competed with SSJ2.
And if his PL is equal to Cell's, doing that will be extremely difficult. Cell also, in my view at least, has the advantage when it comes to stamina, given that he absorbed the androids' power sources, so he should be able to last a lot longer without getting tired- if he indeed gets tired at all. The fighting skill of each character could be debated either way. I'd say that Cell's auxillary abilities (regeneration, boosted stamina, extra attacks) give him the edge over Goku. Anything Goku can do, Cell can, and Cell has extra abilities on top of that. Edited by InterWebZ, Apr 25 2012, 01:24 PM.
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| + Ryebrid | Apr 25 2012, 03:41 PM Post #7 |
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Cell flat out questions why he is so damaged from just 2 suppressed punches from Gohan. Your tellin me your gonna deny whats written in black and white? The only thing I'll give to Cell's regen is that he might be able to regenerate a little faster than Piccolo though he never regenerated in mere seconds, he's not a Majin.
Again are you going to flat out deny whats written in black and white? A zenkai is achieved after a Saiyan recovers from near death. Saiyans dont get Zenkai's from being injured or battle worn it is only near death. Saiyans have an incredible rate at which they progress from battle to battle but this is not a Zenkai. There's nothing to suggest Cell received a Zenkai before he fought Gohan. Cell himself, and the others, would of noted that he had powered up even if it was slightly.
He absorbed the androids so could become complete, that in effect grants him incredible power as shown. Since when do you need boosted stamina if your incredibly stronger than everyone else already? And he got tired fighting SSJ2 Gohan real quick.
-Goku knows all of the moves Cell has taken from everyone else and knows their weaknesses. -MSSJ provides extra stamina so even if Cell did have 'boosted' stamina like you say they'd even out. Goku's extra stamina just didn't take him to far granted that Cell was stronger than Goku, a lot stronger. -The only skill Cell has that causes a problem to Goku is being able to regenerate. |
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| FollowtheLeader | Apr 25 2012, 06:16 PM Post #8 |
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I give it to Cell. The regen hax would be too much. |
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| Battle Power | Apr 25 2012, 07:58 PM Post #9 |
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I give it to Goku, that fight already happened and he won against a Cell that was slightly stronger at the time. I feel that Goku's kamehameha would deal a whole lot more damage to Cell if they were at equal power levels. |
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| InterWebZ | Apr 26 2012, 08:01 AM Post #10 |
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Yes, I know he does, in fact he is so badly damaged that he can't even stay standing up. Less than 30 seconds later he is back up and fighting at full power. That is the point- he was severely damaged, and recovered from it in less than a minute. He might not be a majin, but he definitely has very advanced healing abilities.
I disagree, but anyway. Even so, this is still an advantage for Cell, as if Goku deals a near-fatal blow but fails to kill him (which again, is very possible if their PL's are equalised for this fight), that will come back to bite him. Meanwhile, if Cell inflicts near-fatal damage, that's entirely in his favour. He doesn't need to one-shot Goku, but Goku needs to one-shot him.
He described himself as looking for a "very specific source of energy". The androids are known to have unlimited energy sources- they can keep going at full power as long as they want without getting tired. Given he absorbed them, that presumably means those energy sources are available to him as well.
Indeed he does- so does Cell. The only difference is that Cell also knows how to use them. Edited by InterWebZ, Apr 26 2012, 09:21 AM.
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| + Ryebrid | Apr 26 2012, 11:15 AM Post #11 |
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The guy was in shock and could barely move for the moment. It's like getting winded after being punched hard in the gut, you recover eventually but its still damaging Just because he could function normally again doesn't mean he's back at full power nor is it stated.
You show me where its stated or even slightly implied that Cell has unlimited energy like the Androids.
Like he knew how to use the Kamehameha? In filler its even shown that Goku can't be outsmarted by those old techniques. |
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| InterWebZ | Apr 27 2012, 06:37 AM Post #12 |
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Didn't you previously claim yourself that Cell was wondering why he was so damaged? Either way, he was coughing up blood from a punch to the stomach. That's a bit more than being winded. Less than a minute later he fires a large kamehameha at Gohan, who fired his own kamehameha back (whereas he had previously blocked a special beam cannon with his hand). Whether or not you like it, Cell can heal, and he can do so very quickly. As for not being outsmarted by those techniques, I presume you mean the GT battle, where Goku had a much higher PL than Cell. Skill did not come into it. Either way, Cell having extra abilities is not a disadvantage to him, nor is his enhanced healing. Goku is only going to beat him if he has a higher PL, which is irrelevant here. At equal PL's, Goku has no special advantage. Cell does. Ergo, he is more likely to win. |
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| + Ryebrid | Apr 27 2012, 06:51 AM Post #13 |
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Yes i did claim such, the winded thing was an analogy and is not in comparison with what actually happened nor did i ever say it was. It's very simple to understand that you dont need regen to continue fighting with someone after being hit. You get in a fight, take two strong punches to the gut, are in shock, you eventually get over the shock but the damage is still there, and continue to fight. Cell lost power after Gohan's suppressed punches. Cell is left with obvious scratch marks on him which is a trademark for damage in DBZ. Need i say anymore?
I only refer to GT if its a GT topic unless it is absolutely needed. I mean the filler fighting before Goku and Cell go at it for real. Edited by Ryebrid, Apr 27 2012, 08:55 AM.
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| InterWebZ | Apr 28 2012, 07:54 AM Post #14 |
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Yes, except that Cell wasn't just hit, he was hit badly- so much so he suffered from internal bleeding. That would definitely take some of the fight out of you, and I don't agree that Cell's effectiveness was reduced after the hit (although admittedly he wasn't doing very well to begin with). I will admit I don't recall if he had scratch marks or not, the only thing I remember is that he had blood still on his mouth, which would be the case even if his internal wounds had healed.
Ok, fair enough. Whether or not Goku was correct, or just stating that he was the superior fighter (something every DBZ fighter has done at some point) could be debated other way- Goku still would have lost, although this was more because he had a lower PL than Cell at that time. I don't think he's done anything to demonstrate that he is capable of overpowering Cell's extra abilities without a PL advantage. |
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