Hirudegarn (Transformed) VS SSJ3 Gotien (Potara Fusion Goku and Tien; Buu Saga)

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Hirudegarn (Transformed) VS SSJ3 Gotien (Potara Fusion Goku and Tien; Buu Saga)
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Angel	Apr 24 2012, 06:13 PM Post #1
Dragonball Multiverse Translator's Assistant Posts: 692 Group: Member Member #7,493 Joined: April 1, 2012 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Rave Master	Gotien, the hypothetical fusion of Goku and Tien during the Buu Saga. No blowing up of planets. Hirudegarn won't get distracted by insults and won't be more prone to attacks when angry. Hirudegarn was beaten by a SSJ3 Goku in the movie, which should be a lot weaker than a Gotien. However... that was plot induced stupidity considering Hirudegarn one-shotted SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan and swatted around everyone else like flies. Edited by Angel, Apr 24 2012, 06:17 PM.
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MysticGotenks	Apr 24 2012, 09:50 PM Post #2
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	If this is manga Son Goku and Ten, they got 1 shotted anyway. There is just no way manga Son Goku is taking someone who slapped Gotenks apart and put Gohan away with ease, even if it is Gotien. It's just not happening. Plus, you have made Bug Man even stronger, giving him the ability to not be distracted by insults and prone to attacks when angry potentially would mean that even haxed M13 Son Goku couldn't take this Hirudegarn - as he would not have had the opportunity to use Ryu-Ken.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Apr 24 2012, 09:57 PM Post #3
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	although this is obviously an alternate universe, where goku mastered SSJ3. his dragon punch has some weirdly obnoxious multiplier, that made it so he could do the damn thing. Not to mention this had to be shortly after buu saga as its definitely NOT EOZ. Movie 12 had goku buu saga strength right IMHO, but movie 13 was just too much.



MysticGotenks	Apr 24 2012, 10:03 PM Post #4
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Ninjajp247 Apr 24 2012, 09:57 PM although this is obviously an alternate universe, where goku mastered SSJ3. his dragon punch has some weirdly obnoxious multiplier, that made it so he could do the damn thing. Not to mention this had to be shortly after buu saga as its definitely NOT EOZ. Movie 12 had goku buu saga strength right IMHO, but movie 13 was just too much. M12 I think was pretty perfect, closest to the Manga even by anime standards. I don't understand how they thought no one would notice Son Goku being able to take hits from the same villain who took out SSjin3 Gotenks and Chou Gohan with such ease.
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SSJ Ranulf	Apr 25 2012, 12:45 AM Post #5
Posts: 170 Group: Member Member #6,969 Joined: November 11, 2011 Favourite Anime Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Kai What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Z	I think Gokien would win this easily, and even in SSJ2 IMO. I feel that the gap between SSJ1 and SSJ2 isn't much bigger than the gap between Tien and Vegeta. Sure, there will be no rival boost, but I view that as merely the icing on the fusion boost. Anyway, I feel SSJ Vegito >>>>>>> Hirudegarn. And I think SSJ Vegito >/>> SSJ2 Gokien, so without SSJ3 or any form of Kikoho, Gokien stomps. Hell, SSJ alone might be enough.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Apr 25 2012, 01:05 AM Post #6
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	uh, do u mean BASE vegeta? cause him not being stronger than tien overall would destroy that fusion. vegeta is thousands of times stronger than tien, during fusion ALL power factors in, not just base power. Even gogeta is a level below vegetto IMHO. where vegetto is base? gogeta is SSj gotien wouldnt do much at all manga wise, fusion is fusion, and power matters in fusion. Its why the kais do it to begin with. To attain more power. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Apr 25 2012, 01:09 AM.



SSJ Ranulf	Apr 25 2012, 01:15 AM Post #7
Posts: 170 Group: Member Member #6,969 Joined: November 11, 2011 Favourite Anime Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Kai What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Z	Yeah on my last go at power levels I had base Vegeta (Buu) > ASSJ Vegeta and Tien = A16, which was about a x4 gap. Counting in the rage boost, Gokien is about 1/5 of Vegito's power, and I use a x3-x4 for SSJ2. I place Tien where he is on the grounds he survived Shin Buu's human genocide attack, where nothing indicates what happened to A17. The only source about 17's fate is the Daiz, which says that 17 didn't survive. Thus, I have Tien enough stronger that he could survive, and save Chaotzu, while I don't think 17 survived so. Thus, I put Tien around A16 level.



Angel	Apr 25 2012, 02:32 AM Post #8
Dragonball Multiverse Translator's Assistant Posts: 692 Group: Member Member #7,493 Joined: April 1, 2012 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Rave Master	There will be small rivalry multiplier for Goku and Tien. Tien was Goku's rival ever since Dragon Ball. And Tien trained in order to surpass the Super Saiyans. He couldn't, but his move Neo Tri Beam arguably has a huge multiplier, that compensates for himself. If you were to say, "well that was many years ago".... then remember that Goku and Vegeta's last fight was also many many years ago, before the Buu Saga.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Apr 25 2012, 07:15 AM Post #9
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	tien survived the attack because he wasnt hit. he was training with chiaotzu. when the rain of hell came down. he dodged it, but he didnt tank it.



SSJ Ranulf	Apr 25 2012, 07:23 AM Post #10
Posts: 170 Group: Member Member #6,969 Joined: November 11, 2011 Favourite Anime Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Kai What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Z	Indeed. And Android 17 was out hunting. He didn't survive it (IMO) when the rain came down. Buu had no way to no he was stronger than the everyman, so all of his power blasts would probably the same power. And I figure he most likely shot one at each person. I feel this is a very logical chain, based on what's implied: Ten > Human Genocide Blast >>>> Android 17 I just use Android 16's level for Ten because it seems to be a reasonable level for Ten to be well above 17.



InterWebZ	Apr 25 2012, 09:42 AM Post #11
Posts: 380 Group: Member Member #7,450 Joined: March 16, 2012	Using my multiplier for Potara fusion, Gotien is no weaker than half Vegitto, in which case he still has a shot even manga-wise (assuming that, being a combination of a Saiyan and human, he still has SSJ).



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