Teen Gohan vs. Future Trunks

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Teen Gohan vs. Future Trunks
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Doctor Know	Apr 27 2012, 06:13 AM Post #31
Posts: 478 Group: Member Member #5,351 Joined: October 23, 2010	For everyone who says Gohan didn't lose that much power. Say this to yourself out loud; '7 years, that's 2,556 days of not training or doing anything to preserve his skills or powers'. That's 3 years short of a 10. If it was a 10 year gap from the Cell Games to the Buu Saga would you guys still be advocating Gohan didn't lose that much power? Taking the years in to account is what puts things into perspective of how far Gohan has fallen. From being way above Vegeta in the Cell Games to being so far below him. Vegeta constantly berates Gohan for his performance against Dabura. The fight is Cell Games SSJ Trunks vs Orange Star HS SSJ Gohan. Skill, and battle sense wise that battle is Trunks' easy. Aside from training his @ss off for 1 year in the ROSAT for an upcoming fight with a deadly android who had beaten him and his dad before. Trunks was trained by Gohan. Unless Goku created some new moves to show to Gohan while in the ROSAT, Trunks has the advantage of knowing Gohan's move set. Trunks' was also shown to be able to keep up with a Cell Jr, who are comparable to Perfect Cell or even FPSSJ Goku. Adult Gohan has the disadvantage of his years of not keeping his skill polished showing way to hard. Gohan flying directly at Trunks and Trunks swatting him away like a fly isn't unthinkable given the way Gohan flew directly at Dabura in that fight. Dabura who is also comparable to Cell.



+ Pyrus	Apr 27 2012, 06:25 AM Post #32
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	We know these things for sure. 1) Goku's full power far surpassed Vegeta's, who was at worst equal to Trunks. 2) Gohan's full power made Goku's look like a joke, more or less. 3) Gohan fought fairly evenly with Dabura who was around some level of Cell's power.
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POOHEAD189	Apr 27 2012, 06:33 AM Post #33
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	ObsessiveFanGuy Apr 24 2012, 09:10 PM 100% MSSjin Goku, who was an ant compared to MSSjin Kid Gohan. That's not true at all. Goku was weaker but not that much.
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+ Pyrus	Apr 27 2012, 06:49 AM Post #34
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	POOHEAD189 Apr 27 2012, 06:33 AM ObsessiveFanGuy Apr 24 2012, 09:10 PM 100% MSSjin Goku, who was an ant compared to MSSjin Kid Gohan. That's not true at all. Goku was weaker but not that much. I think so. Gohan urinated all over the Cell that was so good Goku could barely keep up. Bro.
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POOHEAD189	Apr 27 2012, 07:06 AM Post #35
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: I think so. Gohan urinated all over the Cell that was so good Goku could barely keep up. Bro. I distinctly remember cell still having the upper hand most of the time
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+ Pyrus	Apr 27 2012, 07:17 AM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	POOHEAD189 Apr 27 2012, 07:06 AM Quote: I think so. Gohan urinated all over the Cell that was so good Goku could barely keep up. Bro. I distinctly remember cell still having the upper hand most of the time That was after he raised his speed to full. Before that, he couldn't even catch Gohan. The kid dodged all of his attacks. He had to raise his speed, and that's when he finally caught Gohan, headbutted him, and blasted him into a mountain, none of which did any damage other than cosmetic, as stated by Goku when Piccolo thought Gohan had been killed. That's the major determiner for me. Gohan was so fast that Cell, who was stated to be above Goku, couldn't catch him. Then, even after he did catch him, none of his attacks did any damage to him. I can't see how the gap between father and son there could be anything less than large. Not only would Goku not be able to catch his son, but he wouldn't be able to damage him without special attacks like the Kamehameha.
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Doctor Know	Apr 27 2012, 07:40 AM Post #37
Posts: 478 Group: Member Member #5,351 Joined: October 23, 2010	This all only makes Gohan's fall from where he was in the Cell Games to where he is in the Buu saga all the more sad. Buu Saga SSJ Goku > Cell Games SSJ Gohan ≥ Perfect Cell ≥ Buu Saga SSJ Vegeta Pre Majin > Cell Games SSJ Goku = Cell Jr > Cell Games SSJ Vegeta = Cell Games Trunks With Orange Star HS Gohan being somewhere at the tail end of that list. Edited by Doctor Know, Apr 27 2012, 07:50 AM.



Kblo247	Apr 27 2012, 11:05 AM Post #38
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Vegeta was stronger than Trunks. He was stronger in the first ROSAT besides that dummy transformation. He was also noted to have made gains along with Piccolo when they make the second trip, whereas Trunks wasn't. Like I said, for Gohan to lose to Trunks he would have to fall to where Piccolo was who was roughly implied to be the same as he was back then. Dabura and Babadi called Piccolo trash. Gohan had not fallen that far down as he was already way higher up the ladder than all the others. And as far as fighting goes. future Trunka was no warrior. He wasn't smart. He couldn't see the weaknesses of forms. He had no idea what he was doing on the battle field. Gohan was being a jack wagon with the head to head attacks on Dabura because Vegeta and Goku were watching and had called the guy trash, but even with as stubborn as he was, the skills he showed were better than anything Future Trunks showed as a fighter. Goten and Kid Trunks were both much better martial artists and had better control as all the grown ups basically noted watching them, yet Gohan was always superior to them. Trunks ain't winning unless if you are saying Gohan is in his base and Trunka is the SSJ Edited by Kblo247, Apr 27 2012, 11:06 AM.



CRYPTIC	Apr 27 2012, 01:06 PM Post #39
Posts: 340 Group: Member Member #7,353 Joined: February 24, 2012	AllStarSuperman Apr 27 2012, 07:40 AM This all only makes Gohan's fall from where he was in the Cell Games to where he is in the Buu saga all the more sad. Buu Saga SSJ Goku > Cell Games SSJ Gohan ≥ Perfect Cell ≥ Buu Saga SSJ Vegeta Pre Majin > Cell Games SSJ Goku = Cell Jr > Cell Games SSJ Vegeta = Cell Games Trunks With Orange Star HS Gohan being somewhere at the tail end of that list. Buu Saga SSJ Goku> Pre Majin SSJ Vegeta>Dabura~Full Powered Perfect Cell>>SSJ Gohan Cell Games>50 Percent Perfect Cell~SSJ Teen Gohan~SSJ Goku Cell Games>Cell Jr>SSJ Vegeta Cell Games>SSJ Trunks Cell Games Edited by CRYPTIC, Apr 27 2012, 05:12 PM.



Doctor Know	Apr 27 2012, 01:13 PM Post #40
Posts: 478 Group: Member Member #5,351 Joined: October 23, 2010	Kblo247 Apr 27 2012, 11:05 AM Vegeta was stronger than Trunks. He was stronger in the first ROSAT besides that dummy transformation. He was also noted to have made gains along with Piccolo when they make the second trip, whereas Trunks wasn't. Like I said, for Gohan to lose to Trunks he would have to fall to where Piccolo was who was roughly implied to be the same as he was back then. Dabura and Babadi called Piccolo trash. Gohan had not fallen that far down as he was already way higher up the ladder than all the others. And as far as fighting goes. future Trunka was no warrior. He wasn't smart. He couldn't see the weaknesses of forms. He had no idea what he was doing on the battle field. Gohan was being a jack wagon with the head to head attacks on Dabura because Vegeta and Goku were watching and had called the guy trash, but even with as stubborn as he was, the skills he showed were better than anything Future Trunks showed as a fighter. Goten and Kid Trunks were both much better martial artists and had better control as all the grown ups basically noted watching them, yet Gohan was always superior to them. Trunks ain't winning unless if you are saying Gohan is in his base and Trunka is the SSJ Trunks isn't a warrior? I guess Trunks victories over Frieza, King Cold, 17, 18 and Imperfect Cell don't matter at all. Trunks overlooking the flaw of USSJ is understandable. On the one hand he didn't really experiment with it like Goku or Vegeta did out of fear his father would distance himself further and turn Trunks away. On the other hand Trunks suffers from the same character flaw as Vegeta does. Vegeta always lets his power go to his head and he ends up getting stomped or making the situation worse for the heroes. Vs 1st form Frieza he goaded Frieza into transforming. Saying his power wouldn't increase that much before he discovered Frieza's power doubled, later against final form Frieza Vegeta thought he could win after his last zenkai, Vegeta was arrogant to the point of insanity when he challenged 16, 17 and 18 a fight and it only took 18 to beat him, Vegeta could've beaten Cell but allowed him to become perfect and was soundly beaten 2x by Cell and couldn't overcome a Cell Jr, lastly he gathered the energy needed for Majin Buu to be resurrected and was pummeled into the ground before he kamikazed to stop Buu. Trunks failing to see the flaw makes sense for his character he's still young 18 at the time and has always been outmatched and overpowered by the androids. The higher degrees of SSJ without question went to the Saiyans' head. Vegeta and Gohan both display the same vice, Trunks had more noble failings. Trunks determined to use these new powers to combat Cell who's complete form swatted Vegeta around, tried to meet power with power and forgot about speed. At the same time, Piccolo and Tien also overlooked the flaw of USSJ. Like Vegeta his strength went to his head but for different reasons, but unlike Vegeta, Trunks learned from his mistake and didn't keep committing the same mistake over and over like his father. It's a harsh dig on Trunks to hang the 1 mistake around his neck when other characters have done far worse with their misuse of power. Vegeta assistance to Cell and Buu, Gohan not killing Cell and it leading to Goku's death, Gotenks flying off to face Buu and potentially getting himself killed both times, and later lying about his strength which resulted in Buu escaping the ROSAT and eating his remaining family and friends, Goku chancing the defeat of Cell and Buu on little boys; one of which got him killed and the others not ready to fight yet so Buu exterminated the entire plant's population while he waited for Goku's promised warrior. Real effing genius we have here. Trunks was thrust into the roll of a hero because his father gave evil the chance it needed to grow stronger than everyone. Trunks tried his best but failed. If you dig on Trunks you might as well dig on Cell also. Cell exposed the weakness to Trunks in their battle, BUT 10 DAYS LATER COMMITS TH SAME MISTAKE TRUNKS DID BY BULKING UP TO MATCH GOHAN'S SSJ2 POWER. And Cell was a fighting genius, and his superior mind should've known that bulking up was useless. What does that say about Cell? Not so perfect obviously, and maybe Trunks' mistake isn't that bad.



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