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Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

no name

Apr 23 2012, 11:35 AM

Base Goku EOZ~Kid Buu<Fat Majin Buu<SSJ Gotenks pre<Base Gotenks post

Gotenks wins

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 01:15 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

The thing is I question it because if their base was stronger than their pre ssj form then that means they got at least 10x stronger which is extremely absurd in terms of gains. They were only in the roast for 1 week theirs no way their going to get that much stronger in a short amount of time unless it was a plot device which is the only thing that makes sense but its inconsisent with the gains acheieved earlier in the series when the other characters went inside the roast. Them getting more powerful doesn't necessarily mean their base is stronger than their ssj form pre. That piccolo statement could be construed differently such as their power has grew as a whole but not enough for where their base outclasses their ssj form pre. Their base doubling or even quadrupling in strength makes sense and would wow anyone but a 10x strength gain from one week of training is absurd.

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:38 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 01:15 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

The thing is I question it because if their base was stronger than their pre ssj form then that means they got at least 10x stronger which is extremely absurd in terms of gains. They were only in the roast for 1 week theirs no way their going to get that much stronger in a short amount of time unless it was a plot device which is the only thing that makes sense but its inconsisent with the gains acheieved earlier in the series when the other characters went inside the roast. Them getting more powerful doesn't necessarily mean their base is stronger than their ssj form pre. That piccolo statement could be construed differently such as their power has grew as a whole but not enough for where their base outclasses their ssj form pre. Their base doubling or even quadrupling in strength makes sense and would wow anyone but a 10x strength gain from one week of training is absurd.

It doesn't matter what you think is absurd. Plot determines power. Besides, the kids don't require the same increase as Gotenks. It's implied that Fusion is more than just A+A*X.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Training for one day on the Lookout most likely wouldn't yield much increase at all for the boys, yet Piccolo thought it would benefit Gotenks enough to be noteworthy. The same would apply for the RoSaT, probably to an even greater extent due to the conditions of the room. There has to be some sort of unknown exponent to Fusion, and that's why it's completely acceptable for the boys to increase little compared to Gotenks' humongous jump in power.

IMHO, it wouldn't make any sense for Piccolo to think Base Gotenks has a chance against someone SSjin Gotenks absolutely couldn't stand up to beforehand, if Base Gotenks was indeed weaker. Piccolo was proven right on two occasions with Gotenks' power prior, so I wouldn't suddenly doubt him on this one just because it seems absurd, when it's really not the most absurd thing to happen in the series concerning power.

Aside from that, there's no way you could say Gotenks' increase utterly trumps the increases other characters got in the RoSaT. Gohan made tremendous strides in the room in just one go; Goku as well but to a much lesser extent. Vegeta and Trunks also made great gains, enough to go from below Imperfect Cell (initial) to on par with Semi-Perfect Cell in just regular Super Saiyan. Personally, I'd say their gains make Gotenks' look like a joke, but that's just me.

no name

Apr 23 2012, 01:45 PM

Absurd gains in DB:

-Goku increasing his power "by manyfold",after three days of training with Karin.
-Goku becoming over 10x stronger,after one week of gravity training(from 8000 to 90.000)
-Piccolo becoming hundreds of times stronger,during the three year period between Frieza and Androids Saga
-Gohan multiplying his strength,after one single day of training with Z sword
-The one you mentioned
-Base Goku after 10 years having become equal to SSJ3 at Buu Saga

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 01:47 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:38 PM

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Apr 23 2012, 01:15 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

The thing is I question it because if their base was stronger than their pre ssj form then that means they got at least 10x stronger which is extremely absurd in terms of gains. They were only in the roast for 1 week theirs no way their going to get that much stronger in a short amount of time unless it was a plot device which is the only thing that makes sense but its inconsisent with the gains acheieved earlier in the series when the other characters went inside the roast. Them getting more powerful doesn't necessarily mean their base is stronger than their ssj form pre. That piccolo statement could be construed differently such as their power has grew as a whole but not enough for where their base outclasses their ssj form pre. Their base doubling or even quadrupling in strength makes sense and would wow anyone but a 10x strength gain from one week of training is absurd.

It doesn't matter what you think is absurd. Plot determines power. Besides, the kids don't require the same increase as Gotenks. It's implied that Fusion is more than just A+A*X.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Training for one day on the Lookout most likely wouldn't yield much increase at all for the boys, yet Piccolo thought it would benefit Gotenks enough to be noteworthy. The same would apply for the RoSaT, probably to an even greater extent due to the conditions of the room. There has to be some sort of unknown exponent to Fusion, and that's why it's completely acceptable for the boys to increase little compared to Gotenks' humongous jump in power.

IMHO, it wouldn't make any sense for Piccolo to think Base Gotenks has a chance against someone SSjin Gotenks absolutely couldn't stand up to beforehand, if Base Gotenks was indeed weaker. Piccolo was proven right on two occasions with Gotenks' power prior, so I wouldn't suddenly doubt him on this one just because it seems absurd, when it's really not the most absurd thing to happen in the series concerning power.

Aside from that, there's no way you could say Gotenks' increase utterly trumps the increases other characters got in the RoSaT. Gohan made tremendous strides in the room in just one go; Goku as well but to a much lesser extent. Vegeta and Trunks also made great gains, enough to go from below Imperfect Cell (initial) to on par with Semi-Perfect Cell in just regular Super Saiyan. Personally, I'd say their gains make Gotenks' look like a joke, but that's just me.

Difference is Gotenks was in the roast for 1 week the characters in their prior to them were in the roast for one whole year thats 47 more weeks. They were in there for an extensive period of time as compared to Gotenks minimal amount of time. Also a consisent pattern in this series was the characters being overly astonished by power increases. Piccolo can clearly sense that Gotenks has a lot more power than his base form represents so it doesn't necessarily mean his base form has surpassed his ssj power pre.

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:57 PM

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Apr 23 2012, 01:47 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:38 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 01:15 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

The thing is I question it because if their base was stronger than their pre ssj form then that means they got at least 10x stronger which is extremely absurd in terms of gains. They were only in the roast for 1 week theirs no way their going to get that much stronger in a short amount of time unless it was a plot device which is the only thing that makes sense but its inconsisent with the gains acheieved earlier in the series when the other characters went inside the roast. Them getting more powerful doesn't necessarily mean their base is stronger than their ssj form pre. That piccolo statement could be construed differently such as their power has grew as a whole but not enough for where their base outclasses their ssj form pre. Their base doubling or even quadrupling in strength makes sense and would wow anyone but a 10x strength gain from one week of training is absurd.

It doesn't matter what you think is absurd. Plot determines power. Besides, the kids don't require the same increase as Gotenks. It's implied that Fusion is more than just A+A*X.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Training for one day on the Lookout most likely wouldn't yield much increase at all for the boys, yet Piccolo thought it would benefit Gotenks enough to be noteworthy. The same would apply for the RoSaT, probably to an even greater extent due to the conditions of the room. There has to be some sort of unknown exponent to Fusion, and that's why it's completely acceptable for the boys to increase little compared to Gotenks' humongous jump in power.

IMHO, it wouldn't make any sense for Piccolo to think Base Gotenks has a chance against someone SSjin Gotenks absolutely couldn't stand up to beforehand, if Base Gotenks was indeed weaker. Piccolo was proven right on two occasions with Gotenks' power prior, so I wouldn't suddenly doubt him on this one just because it seems absurd, when it's really not the most absurd thing to happen in the series concerning power.

Aside from that, there's no way you could say Gotenks' increase utterly trumps the increases other characters got in the RoSaT. Gohan made tremendous strides in the room in just one go; Goku as well but to a much lesser extent. Vegeta and Trunks also made great gains, enough to go from below Imperfect Cell (initial) to on par with Semi-Perfect Cell in just regular Super Saiyan. Personally, I'd say their gains make Gotenks' look like a joke, but that's just me.

Difference is Gotenks was in the roast for 1 week the characters in their prior to them were in the roast for one whole year thats 47 more weeks. They were in there for an extensive period of time as compared to Gotenks minimal amount of time. Also a consisent pattern in this series was the characters being overly astonished by power increases. Piccolo can clearly sense that Gotenks has a lot more power than his base form represents so it doesn't necessarily mean his base form has surpassed his ssj power pre.

He could only sense the power Base Gotenks had. He wasn't delving into Gotenks' soul looking for his SSjin power or anything.

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Apr 23 2012, 02:00 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:57 PM

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Apr 23 2012, 01:47 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:38 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 01:15 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 23 2012, 01:10 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Teen GohanZ

Apr 23 2012, 11:43 AM

CRYPTIC

Apr 23 2012, 09:09 AM

I am curious whats the logic behind Gotenks becoming stronger than their ssj form pre in base inside the roast.

Well just before Super Buu was going to fight Gotenks, Piccolo was all like:

Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.4-5
Context: after evil Boo shows up and demands to fight Gotenks
Piccolo: “Go hit Trunks and Goten to wake them up, and take them into the Room of Spirit and Time…! Even in just 1 hour, they’ll be able to do 15 days worth of training.”
Kuririn: “Heh!? If we do it now…”
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P7.5
Context: as Gotenks is about to fight Boo
Piccolo: “Pl-please…Let there be a miracle…”

And then after he see's base Gotenks:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Piccolo had no idea that they could transform after fusing either:

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P5.3
Piccolo: “Oh! So he can become a Super Saiyan even after Fusion?!”

So Base Gotenks (Post) > SSj Gotenks (Expected) > SSj Gotenks (Pre)

That implies that his base got stronger but that doesn't mean his base is stronger than his ssj form pre.

Yes, it heavily does. Piccolo can read Gotenks' power, as shown numerous times. He was wrong about Boo's power, but Boo was putting out what I call a "fake Ki signal," much like Perfect Cell did initially against Super Vegeta.

Piccolo (before RoSaT): "Get your asses into the RoSaT! You absolutely don't stand a chance even if you fused successfully!"
Piccolo (after RoSaT): "Holy crap, you've gotten immensely powerful! You might stand a chance now! And I don't even know that you can transform after fusing!"

I honestly don't know what else you could grab from that comparison.

The thing is I question it because if their base was stronger than their pre ssj form then that means they got at least 10x stronger which is extremely absurd in terms of gains. They were only in the roast for 1 week theirs no way their going to get that much stronger in a short amount of time unless it was a plot device which is the only thing that makes sense but its inconsisent with the gains acheieved earlier in the series when the other characters went inside the roast. Them getting more powerful doesn't necessarily mean their base is stronger than their ssj form pre. That piccolo statement could be construed differently such as their power has grew as a whole but not enough for where their base outclasses their ssj form pre. Their base doubling or even quadrupling in strength makes sense and would wow anyone but a 10x strength gain from one week of training is absurd.

It doesn't matter what you think is absurd. Plot determines power. Besides, the kids don't require the same increase as Gotenks. It's implied that Fusion is more than just A+A*X.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

Training for one day on the Lookout most likely wouldn't yield much increase at all for the boys, yet Piccolo thought it would benefit Gotenks enough to be noteworthy. The same would apply for the RoSaT, probably to an even greater extent due to the conditions of the room. There has to be some sort of unknown exponent to Fusion, and that's why it's completely acceptable for the boys to increase little compared to Gotenks' humongous jump in power.

IMHO, it wouldn't make any sense for Piccolo to think Base Gotenks has a chance against someone SSjin Gotenks absolutely couldn't stand up to beforehand, if Base Gotenks was indeed weaker. Piccolo was proven right on two occasions with Gotenks' power prior, so I wouldn't suddenly doubt him on this one just because it seems absurd, when it's really not the most absurd thing to happen in the series concerning power.

Aside from that, there's no way you could say Gotenks' increase utterly trumps the increases other characters got in the RoSaT. Gohan made tremendous strides in the room in just one go; Goku as well but to a much lesser extent. Vegeta and Trunks also made great gains, enough to go from below Imperfect Cell (initial) to on par with Semi-Perfect Cell in just regular Super Saiyan. Personally, I'd say their gains make Gotenks' look like a joke, but that's just me.

Difference is Gotenks was in the roast for 1 week the characters in their prior to them were in the roast for one whole year thats 47 more weeks. They were in there for an extensive period of time as compared to Gotenks minimal amount of time. Also a consisent pattern in this series was the characters being overly astonished by power increases. Piccolo can clearly sense that Gotenks has a lot more power than his base form represents so it doesn't necessarily mean his base form has surpassed his ssj power pre.

He could only sense the power Base Gotenks had. He wasn't delving into Gotenks' soul looking for his SSjin power or anything.

Thing is the dbz characters were always able to sense an enemies full ki when their power was suppresed like when krillin took a hit from Perfect Cell at like 1 percent power he was able to sense that he had more power than he was putting out. Shouldn't the same thing apply in this scenario?