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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 22 2012, 02:15 PM Post #1 |
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It's quite a touchy subject and I can understand why. However, I haven't heard a good argument for not legalising it (not that there isn't one, just that I haven't heard it). People should be allowed to choose whether they live or die and it's cruel to force someone to live for weeks/months with a terminal disease just so they can sit in a bed and wait to die. Then there's the distress for the family as they watch a loved one deteriorate in front of them. Obviously, there should be very strict conditions such as: 1. Only licensed doctors can do it 2. The patient must have a terminal disease with no chance of recovery 3. It has to be done in a humane and painless way. What does everyone else think? |
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Apr 22 2012, 02:27 PM Post #2 |
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Assuming euthanasia was legal, those would be perfectly acceptable rules for it. I haven't seen any non-religious argument against it that makes much sense yet. If they have a terminal disease with no chance of recovery, it's better they die quickly and painlessly, if they choose to, of course, then to live longer in constant pain or dread of death. |
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| + Pelador | Apr 22 2012, 03:26 PM Post #3 |
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First of all, I'm in favour of it. It puts people out of their misery and it eases up the workload of doctors and nurses who can move onto to helping people that can actually be saved. However, how do we know that the current methods are painless? Has anyone not died when they were supposed to be euthanised and talked about what it felt like? Perhaps it's not as nice a way to relieve someone's pain as we previously thought? Also, how long does the process take before they die? I don't like the idea of my body slowly shutting down. Just some things to think about there. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 22 2012, 03:37 PM Post #4 |
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Well, I was thinking like a lethal injection. As far as I know, it all happens pretty quickly and there's a drug in there to put you into unconsciousness in a few seconds, so you aren't aware of it anyway. It takes about 7 minutes usually and your unconscious pretty much the whole time. |
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| + Pelador | Apr 22 2012, 05:27 PM Post #5 |
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I've heard some horror stories about the lethal injection so that doesn't really help much. |
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| + Steve | Apr 22 2012, 05:47 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah lethal injection can mess up but only if it's not done properly. It happening to prisoners could just not be an accident. Like in the film Law Abiding Citizen the guy changes the chemicals so that it's incredibly painful and the person has a horrible death, whoever is in control of the chemicals could easily change them ever so slightly if they hated the prisoner or were just sick. Plus I think most methods of euthanasia involve the...victim? Or subject? Dunno which works better, going to sleep first. If it was painful they'd likely thrash about etc. And even if it was painful I'd far rather a few seconds of immense pain to years or continous pain and the pain of watching everyone get upset over you. I see no reason why it should be illegal unless the method is using a club, that kind of thing. If the person can move around and the doctors won't kill them eventually they just kill themselves or get a family member to do it anyway, why waste all the money helping them live longer when they can not possibly be cured? As bad as that sounds. But it helps other people in need as Pelador explained. |
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| + Pyrus | Apr 23 2012, 04:16 AM Post #7 |
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I pretty much think this is OK. I wouldn't want someone I cared about to live in constant agony and pain for weeks if they didn't want to. |
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| lunar2 | Apr 23 2012, 04:53 PM Post #8 |
 
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you wouldn't want to use the drug combo used on prisoners. here's what they do. 1. administer a painkiller. 2. paralyze you 3. stop your heart. the fast-acting painkiller sometimes wears off before your heart stops and or you lose consciousness. it is a terrifying and possibly extremely painful process. in areas where euthanasia is legal, they give you an overdose of barbiturates that causes you to go to sleep as your body shuts down. it's basically the same thing as when they put animals down. 1 drug, 1 injection, and no pain except the prick of the needle. as to the rules you set out in the OP, i would drop #2. it is your own personal decision as to how long your life is, and any reasonably sane adult should be able to make the decision legally. a person with severe long term depression may be in as much pain as someone with cancer or AIDS, but would have possibly decades of misery ahead of them. they certainly have as much of a right to avoid that pain as someone with a deadly illness. |
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| Pookie | Apr 23 2012, 07:10 PM Post #9 |
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This is a tough call for me because I'm not too experienced with what kind of conditions a person would not be able to recover from. I understand the side that people want to end another person's suffering and it's why I am unwilling to say no it should be legalized. I am thinking about an incident that happened several years ago with a woman that was in a vegetative state. What if they are in a vegetative state and there is a slim chance they can come back? There is always that small chance that they can recover. Since I believe in God, I see that there is a chance for a miracle. I guess it depends whether you believe in miracles or not. I also believe that when it is a person's time they will die. I see euthanasia being a problem because the person doing the euthanasia will likely need some kind of therapy knowing that they ended someone's life. I don't think it is fair to have someone do it and put that on their conscience, but that's just how I see it. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Apr 24 2012, 01:24 AM Post #10 |
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I'm always unsure with something like depression, as their state of mind is influencing any decision they make and it is treatable. I think they should probably under go a certain amount of treatment first and if that isn't effective then allow it. Feelings of suicide is part and parcel of depression (not every person who goes through it, but some) and personally I wouldn't be comfortable with letting someone give in to a mental disease without trying to "cure" them of it first. If, after the treatment, they aren't getting any better of even getting worse then it is something consider. |
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| + Steve | Apr 24 2012, 02:00 AM Post #11 |
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i for one would like to be put out my misery, depression is a pain in the *****. I'm only 18, got maybe another 55 years left. 55 years of depression sounds like hell would way rather be dead. Depression does effect your state of mind a lot during an episode but after years of it even when neutral nobody wants to put up with it any more and it's impossible to fully cure most of the time. Leaving you dead inside and unable to enjoy life. Can't imagine what it would be like not being able to move or anything just sit there until you die, what sane person would want to live? It shouldn't be illegal unless it's someone in a coma who's only been in it a week or so because they could come out of it. It's just daft like suicide being illegal...what are they going to do, put you corpse to jail? Watched a programme years ago or it might have been in the news there was this woman who could only move her head and eyes a little so she had one of those computers that speak for you. It was about her wanting to die and how the doctors wouldn't let it happen. Made the computer say "I am dead" it was pretty upsetting she couldn't even say it on her own, imagine having nothing, no future, no chance of a normal life or even just being able to feel the wind hitting you and not being allowed to be free from that suffering. If anything it should be illegal to not let people do it, who are doctors to tell you when you can or can't die? |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Apr 24 2012, 02:35 AM Post #12 |
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I'll only add that, possibly, you could opt in for possibility of euthanasia just as you opt in as an organ donor. You'd have to give it a hard thought while your conscious, on whether you'd actually want someone doing that to you if you are unable to speak for yourself. As for doctors, I believe that should be able to choose whether or not they would want to participate in such a procedure. |
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| InterWebZ | Apr 24 2012, 08:40 AM Post #13 |
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I'd say that if it is done, it should be subject to the following constraints in addition to the ones Copy_Ninja proposes: * A formal request for it should be presented to a JP or magistrate, who must then consult the subject in person, and ask them "I have received a formal request from you for permission to end your life. Do you want this to be carried out?". * They must also ask "has anyone suggested this to you? Have you been pressured into making this request to me, or was it your idea?" * Nobody else may be present during the consultation. The response must be recorded on video. * The video has to go to a second independent judicial figure who must approve the procedure first. |
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| lunar2 | Apr 27 2012, 06:11 PM Post #14 |
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@depression. only about 1/2 of depression cases are treatable. while most depression cases are not severe enough to cause thoughts of suicide, some of them are pretty bad. in my case, for example, i'm bipolar, and i'm barely able to function when i'm depressed, eevn after years of learning how to deal with it. neither medications nor therapy had any effect on me whatsoever, and i do regularly get bad enough to think about suicide, although i haven't actually tried since 2008. |
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| SS2MysticGohan | Jun 8 2012, 02:14 AM Post #15 |
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As a Christian, I'm probobly going to hell for this, but I don't think people should have to suffer...so Euthanasia should be legal... then again...I'm pretty sure Jesus feels the same way about people suffering...so hopefully I get to stay out of hell... anyway, I really don't see a problem with this, It should be a choice for the subject, so any moral issues are out the window... |
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