Future Goku & Gohan vs Future 17 & 18

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Future Goku & Gohan vs Future 17 & 18
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 03:34 PM Post #1
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Who wins? Goku survives the heart virus. He gets a zenkai from the recovery of possible. They aren't aware of the android's arrival so they don't have that 3 year training preparation like in the present timeline. But they do train and spar with each other after Goku gets better. Sorry didn't mean to put this topic here. Edited by Professor Gohan, Apr 16 2012, 03:35 PM.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Apr 16 2012, 03:41 PM Post #2
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	It's alright, just PM a moderator and ask them to move it. I think SSjin Goku (post heart virus) has a zenkai, and SSjin Future Gohan would be far weaker than his counterpart with 3 years of training. Then again, the Future Androids are much weaker as well. I dunno, SSjin Future Trunks, SSjin Future Vegeta, and SSjin Future Gohan couldn't do anything against the androids, so I still think the Androids win



~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 04:24 PM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Well IMO I think Goku being there would be a big help on Gohan's training. I don't think Gohan would be as strong either but stronger than what he was when it was just him only. I also think Goku having he ability to use Instant Transmission would help too. If they would have to retreat he could get them out of there and go train more instead of someone losing their arm or something like that. That is I you go by the movie anyway.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 04:25 PM Post #4
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	But I do tthink they could do it



Hugga_Bear	Apr 16 2012, 04:47 PM Post #5
Posts: 197 Group: Member Member #7,072 Joined: December 14, 2011	I don't have the future androids as weaker at all, they were just never pushed until Gohan fought them alone (while Trunks was still incapacitated, with one arm. Future Gohan was a boss.) In that case, the androids would slaughter Goku/Gohan, sure the two could do some damage but there's a huge power gap there, assuming they train little in the 3 year gap.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Apr 16 2012, 05:01 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Hugga_Bear Apr 16 2012, 04:47 PM I don't have the future androids as weaker at all, they were just never pushed until Gohan fought them alone (while Trunks was still incapacitated, with one arm. Future Gohan was a boss.) In that case, the androids would slaughter Goku/Gohan, sure the two could do some damage but there's a huge power gap there, assuming they train little in the 3 year gap. Very interesting theory. Because SSjin Vegeta trained for 3 years, Trunks probably thought he would do better against the Androids, but because he didn't, Trunks automatically assumed the Androids became stronger. Possibly, it could have been that Future 17 and 18 had the same power, but just didn't use as much of it since there was no one strong enough to use it against. However, Trunks flat out stated A18 and A17 from his timeline were weaker, and I think that because AT made him say this and never gave any evidence contradicting it, it's more likely to just go with an uncontradicted statement. Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Apr 16 2012, 05:04 PM.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Post #7
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first.



Hugga_Bear	Apr 16 2012, 05:36 PM Post #8
Posts: 197 Group: Member Member #7,072 Joined: December 14, 2011	professor_gohan Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first. No, Gohan. He loses an arm protecting Trunks in an earlier fight, Trunks gets knocked out and then the androids attack another city. Seeing no other choice Gohan goes off to try and stop them, severely handicapped. iirc it's inferred that if he hadn't lost his arm he might have been able to beat them. Except they wouldn't be that much stronger. There's no serious threat to the world, sure Goku and Vegeta would train and get a lot stronger, no doubt. The humans might keep going too but wouldn't go far, Piccolo and Gohan and Trunks wouldn't do much either, Piccolo might train but I can't see him gaining much in peace time, Gohan wouldn't. Vegeta might be stronger but think about the 3 year gap. He trains DAMNED hard right? Doesn't make much ground. I'm sure he'd train hard in peace too but not as hard. Androids could still take him out. Then there's the whole by themselves thing, all the Z fighters were picked off one by one, they never formed a party to fight back, no way to sense ki, they were sitting ducks. I think Vegeta was SSJ in the flashback but still got dominated. Anyway yeah, I just don't think they were much stronger, there's no logical reason for that to be the case and it seems to be more Trunks speaking from ignorance. I could be wrong, definitely and I get that it isn't contradicted but it never sat well with me and it makes more sense given the androids playful nature, they enjoyed toying with the fighters and wouldn't go all out and finish them if they could extend a fight. Exemption being when Gohan became a legitimate threat and they killed him.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 05:48 PM Post #9
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Hugga_Bear Apr 16 2012, 05:36 PM professor_gohan Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first. No, Gohan. He loses an arm protecting Trunks in an earlier fight, Trunks gets knocked out and then the androids attack another city. Seeing no other choice Gohan goes off to try and stop them, severely handicapped. iirc it's inferred that if he hadn't lost his arm he might have been able to beat them. Except they wouldn't be that much stronger. There's no serious threat to the world, sure Goku and Vegeta would train and get a lot stronger, no doubt. The humans might keep going too but wouldn't go far, Piccolo and Gohan and Trunks wouldn't do much either, Piccolo might train but I can't see him gaining much in peace time, Gohan wouldn't. Vegeta might be stronger but think about the 3 year gap. He trains DAMNED hard right? Doesn't make much ground. I'm sure he'd train hard in peace too but not as hard. Androids could still take him out. Then there's the whole by themselves thing, all the Z fighters were picked off one by one, they never formed a party to fight back, no way to sense ki, they were sitting ducks. I think Vegeta was SSJ in the flashback but still got dominated. Anyway yeah, I just don't think they were much stronger, there's no logical reason for that to be the case and it seems to be more Trunks speaking from ignorance. I could be wrong, definitely and I get that it isn't contradicted but it never sat well with me and it makes more sense given the androids playful nature, they enjoyed toying with the fighters and wouldn't go all out and finish them if they could extend a fight. Exemption being when Gohan became a legitimate threat and they killed him. My mistake. I knew Gohan lost his arm in an earlier battle but I guess I read wrong though you were meaning Trunks. But anyway I do see what you mean about their playful nature. Maybe they were toying the whole time. Hell maybe Kid Buu was toying the whole time. I guess we'll never know. But for some reason I feel that Goku being in the picture could just make a big difference if the Z gang lives through the android threat or not and them defeating the androids. I feel like Goku would of just found a way instead of getting killed by them and allowing his family and friends to get killed.



NeoSSayajin	Apr 16 2012, 06:01 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,085 Group: Member Member #5,734 Joined: February 15, 2011 Country Argentina What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	In the future the Artificial Humans never fought at their max, heck, they could have been using possibly 5-10% of their full power against Future Gohan and Future Trunks. Future Goku and Future Gohan lose badly. Edited by NeoSSayajin, Apr 16 2012, 09:01 PM.



Warrior-Elite	Apr 16 2012, 06:42 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,360 Group: Member Member #4,528 Joined: October 18, 2009 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga N/A	Even if Gohan had both his arms and goku was at full power that still would not be enough to take down the androids, they wouldn't get dominated in my opinion, but will still lose. Sorry still no chance for them.
	"Every breath you take is an assault to my honor."


MysticGotenks	Apr 16 2012, 08:24 PM Post #12
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	The Cyborgs constantly fight at their maximum power. It just depends if they try hard or not. Nothing indicates that they could suppress their power, or power up for that matter. I have Son Goku and Gohan still losing. Sure, 1 arm Gohan either received a great zenkai or training VERY intensely in the TV special. But going from the manga, when we see Gohan as a little bish, I have the cyborgs still dominating them. I have the future androids weaker also, I know it was stated, but it was combined experience of watching Vegeta fight them, knowing that he is the strongest power he has probably felt (and still get dominated) and fighting the androids himself, that led to his decision.
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+ Pyrus	Apr 16 2012, 08:28 PM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Hugga_Bear Apr 16 2012, 05:36 PM professor_gohan Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first. No, Gohan. He loses an arm protecting Trunks in an earlier fight, Trunks gets knocked out and then the androids attack another city. Seeing no other choice Gohan goes off to try and stop them, severely handicapped. iirc it's inferred that if he hadn't lost his arm he might have been able to beat them. Except they wouldn't be that much stronger. There's no serious threat to the world, sure Goku and Vegeta would train and get a lot stronger, no doubt. The humans might keep going too but wouldn't go far, Piccolo and Gohan and Trunks wouldn't do much either, Piccolo might train but I can't see him gaining much in peace time, Gohan wouldn't. Vegeta might be stronger but think about the 3 year gap. He trains DAMNED hard right? Doesn't make much ground. I'm sure he'd train hard in peace too but not as hard. Androids could still take him out. Then there's the whole by themselves thing, all the Z fighters were picked off one by one, they never formed a party to fight back, no way to sense ki, they were sitting ducks. I think Vegeta was SSJ in the flashback but still got dominated. Anyway yeah, I just don't think they were much stronger, there's no logical reason for that to be the case and it seems to be more Trunks speaking from ignorance. I could be wrong, definitely and I get that it isn't contradicted but it never sat well with me and it makes more sense given the androids playful nature, they enjoyed toying with the fighters and wouldn't go all out and finish them if they could extend a fight. Exemption being when Gohan became a legitimate threat and they killed him. Most of what you're speaking of is from the anime. In the manga, we have no idea how the Zet Senshi fared against the androids - if they grouped up, if they fought separately, etc. Gohan's arm is also already missing when we first see him, and we have no idea how he lost it for sure. It could've been necrosis for all we know.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 16 2012, 08:38 PM Post #14
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	ObsessiveFanGuy Apr 16 2012, 08:28 PM Hugga_Bear Apr 16 2012, 05:36 PM professor_gohan Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first. No, Gohan. He loses an arm protecting Trunks in an earlier fight, Trunks gets knocked out and then the androids attack another city. Seeing no other choice Gohan goes off to try and stop them, severely handicapped. iirc it's inferred that if he hadn't lost his arm he might have been able to beat them. Except they wouldn't be that much stronger. There's no serious threat to the world, sure Goku and Vegeta would train and get a lot stronger, no doubt. The humans might keep going too but wouldn't go far, Piccolo and Gohan and Trunks wouldn't do much either, Piccolo might train but I can't see him gaining much in peace time, Gohan wouldn't. Vegeta might be stronger but think about the 3 year gap. He trains DAMNED hard right? Doesn't make much ground. I'm sure he'd train hard in peace too but not as hard. Androids could still take him out. Then there's the whole by themselves thing, all the Z fighters were picked off one by one, they never formed a party to fight back, no way to sense ki, they were sitting ducks. I think Vegeta was SSJ in the flashback but still got dominated. Anyway yeah, I just don't think they were much stronger, there's no logical reason for that to be the case and it seems to be more Trunks speaking from ignorance. I could be wrong, definitely and I get that it isn't contradicted but it never sat well with me and it makes more sense given the androids playful nature, they enjoyed toying with the fighters and wouldn't go all out and finish them if they could extend a fight. Exemption being when Gohan became a legitimate threat and they killed him. Most of what you're speaking of is from the anime. In the manga, we have no idea how the Zet Senshi fared against the androids - if they grouped up, if they fought separately, etc. Gohan's arm is also already missing when we first see him, and we have no idea how he lost it for sure. It could've been necrosis for all we know. Yeah, that's why I said if you go by the movie. Wouldn't all this br easier if there was a future timeline saga or anything anything that tells us more about the future? The movie wa good but il there could of been something way better. I do enjoy the flashbacks they give us.



Hugga_Bear	Apr 16 2012, 11:57 PM Post #15
Posts: 197 Group: Member Member #7,072 Joined: December 14, 2011	ObsessiveFanGuy Apr 16 2012, 08:28 PM Hugga_Bear Apr 16 2012, 05:36 PM professor_gohan Apr 16 2012, 05:06 PM Trunks was incapacitated with one arm? But think about this Piccolo still woul of been around so I'm sure he would of trained with them. That would benefit those two a lot especially Gohan training under the two he looks up to the most learning techniques from both and the knowledge on how to become a strong and smart fighter. . So I think they would of trained a lot still, not as much as the 3 year gap but enough to beat a new threat like a couple of androids that drops in. If you really want to get into it ou have Vegeta training in space still to be better than kakarot so if those two cant do it than they have another super saiyan out there to help if they can somehow get through to him first. No, Gohan. He loses an arm protecting Trunks in an earlier fight, Trunks gets knocked out and then the androids attack another city. Seeing no other choice Gohan goes off to try and stop them, severely handicapped. iirc it's inferred that if he hadn't lost his arm he might have been able to beat them. Except they wouldn't be that much stronger. There's no serious threat to the world, sure Goku and Vegeta would train and get a lot stronger, no doubt. The humans might keep going too but wouldn't go far, Piccolo and Gohan and Trunks wouldn't do much either, Piccolo might train but I can't see him gaining much in peace time, Gohan wouldn't. Vegeta might be stronger but think about the 3 year gap. He trains DAMNED hard right? Doesn't make much ground. I'm sure he'd train hard in peace too but not as hard. Androids could still take him out. Then there's the whole by themselves thing, all the Z fighters were picked off one by one, they never formed a party to fight back, no way to sense ki, they were sitting ducks. I think Vegeta was SSJ in the flashback but still got dominated. Anyway yeah, I just don't think they were much stronger, there's no logical reason for that to be the case and it seems to be more Trunks speaking from ignorance. I could be wrong, definitely and I get that it isn't contradicted but it never sat well with me and it makes more sense given the androids playful nature, they enjoyed toying with the fighters and wouldn't go all out and finish them if they could extend a fight. Exemption being when Gohan became a legitimate threat and they killed him. Most of what you're speaking of is from the anime. In the manga, we have no idea how the Zet Senshi fared against the androids - if they grouped up, if they fought separately, etc. Gohan's arm is also already missing when we first see him, and we have no idea how he lost it for sure. It could've been necrosis for all we know. I was wondering about that. Rewatched some of the clips and when Gohan goes back to face them he seems to be giving them serious trouble but together they still dominate. Going off the anime I think Gohan might have been able to take them one on one...I don't know what kind of zenkai he gets from losing an arm but it must be something huge... Off the anime I think it's possible that Goku/Gohan take it, over an extended period. Goku has IT so he can easily pull out of a losing fight, they can train, they can regroup and so on. In a straight fight (at the beginning/emergence of the androids) I still think they'd be taken apart though. In the manga I can't really say, I haven't read it! Future Gohan is seriously boss though, similar to ultimate Gohan in a way, that menacing badass feel to him. I like that Gohan.



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