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UK Government to 'watch' emails, web use, phone calls, texts etc
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 2 2012, 11:15 PM (1,605 Views)
MysticGotenks	Apr 16 2012, 09:29 AM Post #16
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	There is a plan to get identity cards post London Olympics - more important to keep that on you than it is your driving licence. The Olympics are going to be ridiculous security-wise. Aircraft carrier docked in the Thames, unmanned drones circling London, FBI/CIA contracted from US to help in commanding security forces, Home-front army to be in the London streets. SAM Missles around important Olympian's place of stay. The list goes on. Why? Not to protect people from terrorists, as it will never work, simple show of power. An aircraft carrier is not going to stop a terrorist running into a crowd of people queuing up to attend he 100m final now is it? The identity card system is in talks to come from this. CCTV will be able to cross-reference your face to stored information that you be matched to your identity card, like a registration plate on a car being examined for insurance. I'm moving to the US, where the same is probably done just in secret, the UK Gov seem to overtly express themselves watching the public.
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InterWebZ	Apr 16 2012, 12:44 PM Post #17
Posts: 380 Group: Member Member #7,450 Joined: March 16, 2012	MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 09:29 AM Home-front army to be in the London streets. Ever been to Paris? They use soldiers to patrol the streets on a constant basis (they seem to be there to back up the regular police). They could, technically, perform facial recognition using driver's license or passport data, and it would probably be no less effective. Likewise though, it would only be of marginal effectiveness against serious criminals. It might make it harder for fugitives or wanted persons to operate, but even now most criminals know about existing street surveillance, and aren't phased by it.



Meowth	Apr 16 2012, 01:15 PM Post #18
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 09:29 AM There is a plan to get identity cards post London Olympics - more important to keep that on you than it is your driving licence. The Olympics are going to be ridiculous security-wise. Aircraft carrier docked in the Thames, unmanned drones circling London, FBI/CIA contracted from US to help in commanding security forces, Home-front army to be in the London streets. SAM Missles around important Olympian's place of stay. The list goes on. Why? Not to protect people from terrorists, as it will never work, simple show of power. An aircraft carrier is not going to stop a terrorist running into a crowd of people queuing up to attend he 100m final now is it? Where did you get your information from? Onion News Network? The US won't be commanding security in the UK, the US want to "help" but it has been denied, they won't be getting their own armed guards or FBI agents, the intellegency services will probably work together but I think that's as far US involvment in the UKs security plans will go. There was talk of a US aircraft carrier but the MoD said it would be a British ship. Yes, there will be unmanned and unarmed drones patroling the skies, I doubt there will be a "homefront army" on the streets, London has plenty of armed police officers, they will most likly cover the surrounding areas, with possible support from TA soliders. US Armed guards denied: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15745369 No FBI (and confirming Ground to Air missiles): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15724639 Aircraft Carrier: http://www.redswhitesandblacks.com/blog/entry/1201681/us-wants-own-aircraft-carrier-in-the-thames-estuary-during-london-2012-olympics All that aside, China had it's military out when they had the Olympics, so did Greece and possibly many countries before that, he Olympics aren't immune from terrorism, yes it can happen but the idea of having the military on hand is to attempt to deture terrorists and if something does happen, to make sure it is stopped quicky and to help as many people as possible. Do you really think the normal security messures would be enough to support the olympics if something did happen? I don't. In 1972, the West German olympics saw atleast 11 Israeli althetes and coaches dead because of terrorist acts. 1996, the US olympics suffered a pipe bomb attack killing 2 people and wounding 111, it could have been worse if someone didn't notice and contact law enforcement. Of course security is going to be tight.



InterWebZ	Apr 16 2012, 01:44 PM Post #19
Posts: 380 Group: Member Member #7,450 Joined: March 16, 2012	The Australian SAS (our special forces) were involved in security for the 2000 Olympics as well. So that's at least every country since 1996. Anyone in Australia will of course remember what happened in 2008 at APEC, though, when millions of dollars were spent fortifying part of the city, and a team of comedians dressed as Osama bin Laden literally drove through the front door.



MysticGotenks	Apr 16 2012, 02:55 PM Post #20
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Rogue Apr 16 2012, 01:15 PM MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 09:29 AM There is a plan to get identity cards post London Olympics - more important to keep that on you than it is your driving licence. The Olympics are going to be ridiculous security-wise. Aircraft carrier docked in the Thames, unmanned drones circling London, FBI/CIA contracted from US to help in commanding security forces, Home-front army to be in the London streets. SAM Missles around important Olympian's place of stay. The list goes on. Why? Not to protect people from terrorists, as it will never work, simple show of power. An aircraft carrier is not going to stop a terrorist running into a crowd of people queuing up to attend he 100m final now is it? Where did you get your information from? Onion News Network? The US won't be commanding security in the UK, the US want to "help" but it has been denied, they won't be getting their own armed guards or FBI agents, the intellegency services will probably work together but I think that's as far US involvment in the UKs security plans will go. There was talk of a US aircraft carrier but the MoD said it would be a British ship. Yes, there will be unmanned and unarmed drones patroling the skies, I doubt there will be a "homefront army" on the streets, London has plenty of armed police officers, they will most likly cover the surrounding areas, with possible support from TA soliders. US Armed guards denied: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15745369 No FBI (and confirming Ground to Air missiles): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15724639 Aircraft Carrier: http://www.redswhitesandblacks.com/blog/entry/1201681/us-wants-own-aircraft-carrier-in-the-thames-estuary-during-london-2012-olympics All that aside, China had it's military out when they had the Olympics, so did Greece and possibly many countries before that, he Olympics aren't immune from terrorism, yes it can happen but the idea of having the military on hand is to attempt to deture terrorists and if something does happen, to make sure it is stopped quicky and to help as many people as possible. Do you really think the normal security messures would be enough to support the olympics if something did happen? I don't. In 1972, the West German olympics saw atleast 11 Israeli althetes and coaches dead because of terrorist acts. 1996, the US olympics suffered a pipe bomb attack killing 2 people and wounding 111, it could have been worse if someone didn't notice and contact law enforcement. Of course security is going to be tight. ...The Guardian. I know it is a British ship, I never said different. They would only be patrolling the streets around Greenwich, not around London, police would be doing that as per usual. Evidently things has changed since I read the article. It will just be a surprise, more so than other countries, compared to the usual laissez faire-esc system towards policing at the moment in the UK. Of course I think security measures need to be increased to meet the potential threats surrounding the Olypmics. I just don't see how an aircraft carrier with a fully manned crew - even a skeleton crew, would help.
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Meowth	Apr 16 2012, 03:13 PM Post #21
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 02:55 PM Of course I think security measures need to be increased to meet the potential threats surrounding the Olypmics. I just don't see how an aircraft carrier with a fully manned crew - even a skeleton crew, would help. Helicopters could be dispatched quicker to airlift people to safety, that's how an aircraft carrier could help



MysticGotenks	Apr 16 2012, 08:44 PM Post #22
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Rogue Apr 16 2012, 03:13 PM MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 02:55 PM Of course I think security measures need to be increased to meet the potential threats surrounding the Olypmics. I just don't see how an aircraft carrier with a fully manned crew - even a skeleton crew, would help. Helicopters could be dispatched quicker to airlift people to safety, that's how an aircraft carrier could help But....there are helipads around London anyway? I know what you mean, I do understand - it's just, too me, sounds silly, money that doesn't ~~need~~ to be spent.
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Meowth	Apr 16 2012, 08:47 PM Post #23
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 08:44 PM Rogue Apr 16 2012, 03:13 PM MysticGotenks Apr 16 2012, 02:55 PM Of course I think security measures need to be increased to meet the potential threats surrounding the Olypmics. I just don't see how an aircraft carrier with a fully manned crew - even a skeleton crew, would help. Helicopters could be dispatched quicker to airlift people to safety, that's how an aircraft carrier could help But....there are helipads around London anyway? I know what you mean, I do understand - it's just, too me, sounds silly, money that doesn't ~~need~~ to be spent. It's alright, the rich are getting tax cuts. We're all in this together.



* Bex	Apr 17 2012, 08:57 PM Post #24
★ Bextreme Dream ★ Posts: 9,435 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Gender Female Country United Kingdom What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	It's a blatant breach of the human right to privacy. The European Court of Human Rights would probably flip over the idea.
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+ Pelador	Apr 17 2012, 11:45 PM Post #25
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Not quite. They're merely emulating what a lot of business do but on a national scale. You ever wonder how ads on Youtube seem to know what sort of ***** you've been looking at? Same princible here. They're basically only after numbers not information. Good idea to keep an eye on them though. We don't want to live in a police state like China.
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Meowth	Apr 17 2012, 11:57 PM Post #26
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Not quite Pelador, I'm not sure you fully understand either the proposed legislation or how ads work. Google want to make a service that works based on data they collect but they keep running into obsticals there, all privacy based, they have faced lawsuits for this. They can log your search data and use that for targetted ads but they aren't allowed to monitor what people do. As for the legislation, it goes further, it logs more than what businesses try to log.



+ Pelador	Apr 18 2012, 12:02 AM Post #27
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	From what I read it just seems to be times and dates when suspects used their e-mails and accessed certain sites. I think it mentioned that they weren't actually allowed to read the contents of the e-mails or anything. Just access times, adresses, that sort of thing. I hope there is a clear line which they don't ever want to cross. This seems to come close to it.
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Meowth	Apr 18 2012, 12:08 AM Post #28
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Sure they can't read them, they can only see basic data but as for not crossing the line, you know what they say about absolute power, it currupts absolutly. If you give a government the right to look at anyones data, even if not in full, who's to say they won't abuse it? Not to mention, the fact that ISPs and other companies would be responcibile for storing the data for longer, this takes space, guess how they get the money to pay for extra equipment? They raise your bills. So you'll be paying more for the government to have the right to snoop on you in what will most likly not benifit the country.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 18 2012, 12:14 AM Post #29
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Rogue Apr 18 2012, 12:08 AM Sure they can't read them, they can only see basic data but as for not crossing the line, you know what they say about absolute power, it currupts absolutly. If you give a government the right to look at anyones data, even if not in full, who's to say they won't abuse it? Not to mention, the fact that ISPs and other companies would be responcibile for storing the data for longer, this takes space, guess how they get the money to pay for extra equipment? They raise your bills. So you'll be paying more for the government to have the right to snoop on you in what will most likly not benifit the country. This legislation wont go down well at all with the rest of the worldwide community. It's not beneficial at all. How many of us are terrorists? How effective is this legislation going to be in helping to uncover serious crime plots and such? Effective as **** This is obviously just a way for them to gain more power and being able to monitor what people are doing. This is going to make everybody in the General Public scared to call people, send emails and look for websites on the internet. This isn't legislation, this is oppression.



+ Pelador	Apr 18 2012, 12:59 AM Post #30
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I don't believe that is the aim of it at all. The people in charge are not evil. They are just somewhat ignorant and stupid sometimes. In fact, most of them want to do good. They just often go about it the wrong way.
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