Maito Gai

Apr 1 2012, 06:29 PM

Nothing, NOTHING, justifies killing a person. Claims of 'Self-Defence' are total ****, if he did indeed call the police and proceed to follow the victim then, if anything, the victim's actions were self-defence. If the defendant was carrying a gun, he's the one at fault. He was probably paranoid to a major degree.

Honestly? I find it hard to care about this case. Not because I think it wasn't bad, it was horrendous, but the simple fact of it is that stuff like this happens all the time. Why does this case get news time when other murders/serious attacks don't? I'm sort of desensitised to stuff like this now, it's tragic, yes, but it's over dramatised imo. Everything points to him stalking and subsequently killing the person and, self-defence (pfft) or not, he should still be punished to the full extent by the law.

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 06:29 PM

Ninjajp247

Apr 1 2012, 06:01 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 03:29 PM

You guys need to see things from two sides of the spectrum and view this objectively. Theirs 2 side of the story knowing who started the altercation is pure speculation. The cops believe the screams on the telephone matched Zimmermans voice but we never really will know untill it's properly dissected by voice experts.

Some Facts: Certain parts of the media have been trying to paint zimmerman in a negative light by giving you misleading information.
He doesn't weight 250 pounds he actually weighs 170 pounds.
The picture most widely used for zimmerman which is plastered on every article in the media shows him at his darkest moment while in contrast trayvons picture is of him when he was 13. Obviously the medias trying to create racial tension for profit.
Trayvon allegedly assaulted a bus driver was suspended for being in possesion of marijuana residue and truancy and was caught with stolen jewlery and burglary equipment.
Zimmerman also had his issues with the law. He been arrested for resisting arrest from an officer and assaulting one I think, and hes been caught up in domestic disputes I think he probably hit his wife or something.

So clearly each individual is no saint. I am not here choosing sides just bringing the facts to light. In my opinion whoever started the altercation was the one in the wrong. It just sickens me how the media is profiting of this and how obnoxiously stupid some of these protesters and trayvon activists are acting. Spike lee tried tweeted his home address which was later discovered that it was the home of an old couple. He put two innocent people in danger over his agenda and the Black panthers putting a bounty on this guy? How absurd.

why do people keep including what trayvon did before being shot by some strange man?

what in trayvons life justifies his being killed by some weirdo?

it doesnt matter WHo it is, and saying we arent seeing from the other side means nothing.

George zimmerman gave his statement and admitted to killing trayvon, but all evidence to substantiate his claim doesnt exist,

and he admitted to carrying and shooting a gun at aomeone NOT with a similar weapon, you dont GET to shoot people because you are scared, you get to shoot them when they threaten your life and health, attacking you in the street.

THATS, what stand your ground means, it means not to be taken like a punk and get robbed, it DOESNT mean have open season on shooting people and then be able to lie and say it was self defense. Cause you can make the kid look bad when in fact the only altercation started was the one YOU incited!!

You have already fallen for it, by pretending this guy even had a reason for FOLLOWING tryavon, you can make up all the excuses you need, like oh well he smoked weed and had a screwdriver in his backpack, so then he MUST be a thief and drug dealer. HUH? for starters he was caught smoking weed at school so he was suspended. Oh well, people get suspended for less.

The screwdriver incident wasnt investigated because it obviously DIDNT lead to anything.

So now people are trying to paint trayvon wrong because they know this case will go away if it SEEMS justified to shoot someone who is kicking your butt over you threatening them,following them, calling them names and then pulling a gun on them. ALL of which to zimmerman either admitted to or was caught doing due to overwhelming phone evidence of the boys girlfriend on the phone AND the 911 dispatcher.

what did you THINK would happen? Do you REALLY think there was a reason george followed this guy? alot of people have now made up the fact there were burglaries and tried to implicate trayvon, the trut his that the area was ridden with burglaries, george was on patrol to prevent this in his neighborhood.

Thats fine. whats NOT fine is him being a police assaulting felon, who didnt get charged with felony as the charges were dropped, unless you have JUICE there is NO way you are beating that charge.

so its obvious georges attitude has gotten him in trouble MORE than once, and this fool is able to carry a gun?

and whats up with the nameless black guy who popped out of nowhere and no face to the no name as georges LONG TIME FRIEND??? cut that out.


i dont use wiki answers, im actually on the site thread discussing this on the news forum this story is on.

everything i have said is public knowledge.

Ok because I am not a trayvon extremist I am suddenly on Zimmermans side and trying to justify his death? Zimmermans statement does have evidence all his injuries were noted in the police report and their are two eye witness that state that Zimmerman was on the ground getting beat to a pulp. Unless you believe the cops are trying to cover everything up and that the whole judicial system is depraved and racist. Btw those videos have no *****ing validity, so stop referencing them. In those same videos you keep bringing up Zimmerman appears a lot slimmer as opposed to his mug shot that is plastered all over the *****ing tabloids. If you're being beaten and afraid for your life you can stand your ground. "A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first." If Zimmerman was infact the one screaming for help and trayvon didn't stop hitting him than he had reasonable belief that his life was in danger because he couldn't retreat and didn't know whether Trayvon would stop hitting him or not. Plus some believe they were fighting for control of the gun therefore endangering zimmermans life even more. But if ZImmerman approached Trayvon started beating him to pulp(which theirs no evidence of) and was the one screaming for help and ZImmerman just shot him than Zimmermans obviously guilty of murder. But if he was going to kill Trayvon in cold blood why the ***** would he call the cops to meet him? Something unexpected obviously occured that night therefore the murder wasn't premeditated and it wasn't over a racial dispute. Becuse if you wanted to murder someone in cold blood you wouldn't call the cops to come meet up with you before hand, its to *****ing risky. At most this guy you should get involuntary manslaughter. Conclusively an innocent man shouldn't be thrown to jail if not proven guilty, imagine if this was your father or brother or something.

Ninjajp247

Apr 1 2012, 07:02 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 06:29 PM

Ninjajp247

Apr 1 2012, 06:01 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 03:29 PM

You guys need to see things from two sides of the spectrum and view this objectively. Theirs 2 side of the story knowing who started the altercation is pure speculation. The cops believe the screams on the telephone matched Zimmermans voice but we never really will know untill it's properly dissected by voice experts.

Some Facts: Certain parts of the media have been trying to paint zimmerman in a negative light by giving you misleading information.
He doesn't weight 250 pounds he actually weighs 170 pounds.
The picture most widely used for zimmerman which is plastered on every article in the media shows him at his darkest moment while in contrast trayvons picture is of him when he was 13. Obviously the medias trying to create racial tension for profit.
Trayvon allegedly assaulted a bus driver was suspended for being in possesion of marijuana residue and truancy and was caught with stolen jewlery and burglary equipment.
Zimmerman also had his issues with the law. He been arrested for resisting arrest from an officer and assaulting one I think, and hes been caught up in domestic disputes I think he probably hit his wife or something.

So clearly each individual is no saint. I am not here choosing sides just bringing the facts to light. In my opinion whoever started the altercation was the one in the wrong. It just sickens me how the media is profiting of this and how obnoxiously stupid some of these protesters and trayvon activists are acting. Spike lee tried tweeted his home address which was later discovered that it was the home of an old couple. He put two innocent people in danger over his agenda and the Black panthers putting a bounty on this guy? How absurd.

why do people keep including what trayvon did before being shot by some strange man?

what in trayvons life justifies his being killed by some weirdo?

it doesnt matter WHo it is, and saying we arent seeing from the other side means nothing.

George zimmerman gave his statement and admitted to killing trayvon, but all evidence to substantiate his claim doesnt exist,

and he admitted to carrying and shooting a gun at aomeone NOT with a similar weapon, you dont GET to shoot people because you are scared, you get to shoot them when they threaten your life and health, attacking you in the street.

THATS, what stand your ground means, it means not to be taken like a punk and get robbed, it DOESNT mean have open season on shooting people and then be able to lie and say it was self defense. Cause you can make the kid look bad when in fact the only altercation started was the one YOU incited!!

You have already fallen for it, by pretending this guy even had a reason for FOLLOWING tryavon, you can make up all the excuses you need, like oh well he smoked weed and had a screwdriver in his backpack, so then he MUST be a thief and drug dealer. HUH? for starters he was caught smoking weed at school so he was suspended. Oh well, people get suspended for less.

The screwdriver incident wasnt investigated because it obviously DIDNT lead to anything.

So now people are trying to paint trayvon wrong because they know this case will go away if it SEEMS justified to shoot someone who is kicking your butt over you threatening them,following them, calling them names and then pulling a gun on them. ALL of which to zimmerman either admitted to or was caught doing due to overwhelming phone evidence of the boys girlfriend on the phone AND the 911 dispatcher.

what did you THINK would happen? Do you REALLY think there was a reason george followed this guy? alot of people have now made up the fact there were burglaries and tried to implicate trayvon, the trut his that the area was ridden with burglaries, george was on patrol to prevent this in his neighborhood.

Thats fine. whats NOT fine is him being a police assaulting felon, who didnt get charged with felony as the charges were dropped, unless you have JUICE there is NO way you are beating that charge.

so its obvious georges attitude has gotten him in trouble MORE than once, and this fool is able to carry a gun?

and whats up with the nameless black guy who popped out of nowhere and no face to the no name as georges LONG TIME FRIEND??? cut that out.


i dont use wiki answers, im actually on the site thread discussing this on the news forum this story is on.

everything i have said is public knowledge.

Ok because I am not a trayvon extremist I am suddenly on Zimmermans side and trying to justify his death? Zimmermans statement does have evidence all his injuries were noted in the police report and their are two eye witness that state that Zimmerman was on the ground getting beat to a pulp. Unless you believe the cops are trying to cover everything up and that the whole judicial system is depraved and racist. Btw those videos have no *****ing validity, so stop referencing them. In those same videos you keep bringing up Zimmerman appears a lot slimmer as opposed to his mug shot that is plastered all over the *****ing tabloids. If you're being beaten and afraid for your life you can stand your ground. "A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first." If Zimmerman was infact the one screaming for help and trayvon didn't stop hitting him than he had reasonable belief that his life was in danger because he couldn't retreat and didn't know whether Trayvon would stop hitting him or not. Plus some believe they were fighting for control of the gun therefore endangering zimmermans life even more. But if ZImmerman approached Trayvon started beating him to pulp(which theirs no evidence of) and was the one screaming for help and ZImmerman just shot him than Zimmermans obviously guilty of murder. But if he was going to kill Trayvon in cold blood why the ***** would he call the cops to meet him? Something unexpected obviously occured that night therefore the murder wasn't premeditated and it wasn't over a racial dispute. Becuse if you wanted to murder someone in cold blood you wouldn't call the cops to come meet up with you before hand, its to *****ing risky. At most this guy you should get involuntary manslaughter. Conclusively an innocent man shouldn't be thrown to jail if not proven guilty, imagine if this was your father or brother or something.

Thats bullcrap and you know it, because zimmerman HIMSELF said he got away.

so much for just sticking up for trayvon because some weirdo went overboard with a brand new law.

im not pro trayvon or anti george, im ALL FOR JUSTICE as its supposed to be.

the cideo is totally valid, why WOULD it have a portly zimmerman from a 2005 picture?

you seem to have alot of info missing in your argument, you are arguing points that would get your client put away for life.

the picture of 12 yr old trayvon was the same media tactic to garner sympathy.

Truth: trayvon martin was taller than believed, btu thats it.

Truth: george was a workout zealot, his 2005 pic YOu keep referring to is whats NOT valid, so trying to act like the police didnt release his booking video is just denial, denial, denial.

You should also learn the laws on mutual combat.

When YOU are the aggressor? and YOU get beat up? guess what? you still get charged with assault.

when both parties admit to fighting during an altercation then thats when Mutual combat goes into effect, and if i remember florida law right? YOU BOTH GO TO JAIL!!

so being anti trayvon or zimmerman is ridiculous, your deflection doesnt change the fact zimmermans story doesnt add up to the injuries claimed nor did the video of georges "arrest" look very valid either as far as just coming from a crime scene and being treated by paramedics, with NO bandages on his head OR face, AND wearing clean unrumpled clothes while being brought in.

Like i said, all the people looking at this for race because its the only excuse they have for denying these simple truths, so they turned to demonizing the kid; you yourself have ALREADY done this, and tried to make some sort of justification for this BOY losing his life to a MAN who was stalking the streets with a gun looking for burglars? instead he follows someone from a store, starts a fight, by getting OUT of his truck, disobeying police orders, then fighting with and shooting an unarmed BOY???

You need a serious reality check dude.

check this out, cryptic, if you start a fight with someone and get beat up? then guess what? you deserved it. Period.

Ninjajp247

Apr 1 2012, 07:12 PM

thats a ridiculous troll statement, he said it himself, not to mention he also admitted to getting out of his truck against police orders.

zimmerman said he got away and got to his truck and trayvon came after him, yet the witnesses said that zimmerman was being hit by trayvon when trayvon got shot.

Its not rocket science man. Do the math.

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 07:19 PM

Ninjajp247

Apr 1 2012, 07:12 PM

thats a ridiculous troll statement, he said it himself, not to mention he also admitted to getting out of his truck against police orders.

zimmerman said he got away and got to his truck and trayvon came after him, yet the witnesses said that zimmerman was being hit by trayvon when trayvon got shot.

Its not rocket science man. Do the math.

Him getting out of truck against police orders isn't against the law, following someone isn't against the law. Like you said before Trayvon got out of zimmermans sight when he was adjacent to the back of the lobby. You could than hear zimmerman stop running and going back to his truck on the 911 call. Everything after that is *****ing speculation so we don't know who approached who. Like I said before if Zimmerman actually approached him and everything then Martin's self defense was justified and Zimmerman should go to jail but theirs no way of knowing at this moment. Alls we got is flimsy videos, supposed cover up(being sarcastic) police reports, a 911 call with either trayvon or martin screaming and opposing witnesses. Btw when looking for a suspect of a certain crime the police always look for some background information on the individual to determine whether he not hes capable of commiting the crime. All that alleged demonizing on trayvon is vital to this case same goes for Zimmermans past misfortunes.

ObsessiveFanGuy

Apr 1 2012, 07:42 PM

I don't think we need so many harsh words being thrown around like spears, guys.

bizness86

Apr 1 2012, 04:46 PM

CRYPTIC

Apr 1 2012, 03:29 PM

You guys need to see things from two sides of the spectrum and view this objectively. Theirs 2 side of the story knowing who started the altercation is pure speculation. The cops believe the screams on the telephone matched Zimmermans voice but we never really will know untill it's properly dissected by voice experts.

Some Facts: Certain parts of the media have been trying to paint zimmerman in a negative light by giving you misleading information.
He doesn't weight 250 pounds he actually weighs 170 pounds.
The picture most widely used for zimmerman which is plastered on every article in the media shows him at his darkest moment while in contrast trayvons picture is of him when he was 13. Obviously the medias trying to create racial tension for profit.
Trayvon allegedly assaulted a bus driver was suspended for being in possesion of marijuana residue and truancy and was caught with stolen jewlery and burglary equipment.
Zimmerman also had his issues with the law. He been arrested for resisting arrest from an officer and assaulting one I think, and hes been caught up in domestic disputes I think he probably hit his wife or something.

So clearly each individual is no saint. I am not here choosing sides just bringing the facts to light. In my opinion whoever started the altercation was the one in the wrong. It just sickens me how the media is profiting of this and how obnoxiously stupid some of these protesters and trayvon activists are acting. Spike lee tried tweeted his home address which was later discovered that it was the home of an old couple. He put two innocent people in danger over his agenda and the Black panthers putting a bounty on this guy? How absurd.

Why do we need to see things from 2 sides? It has already been said that Zimmerman claimed to have a broken nose that didn't bleed, claimed to shoot a guy on top of him and didn't have blood all over him; the guy he shot had already been check for his possession and was found to have candy and tea; the dead guy's autopsy showed no bruising of the fists of which supposedly repeatedly bashed into the claimer Zimmerman.

&uarr The paragraph above doesn't mention race in the slightly, but it probably should.

I don't know whether to hope that you are trolling, or aren't trolling. And I really hope that you're not a dupe account.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120324193907AAABaWI

Ninjajp247

Apr 2 2012, 08:06 AM

no, being on neighborhood watch is no excuse to ignore the police orders,and confront criminals, your JOB is to observe and REPORT!! conmfronting people walking the street isnt your job. If you think its your job? then you dont know the rules

Please read what being on neighborhood watch means, before making blanket statements.

The Naacp got involved because they were asked too, yes, in my opinion al sharpton can be a race baiter, unfortunately hes PAID to do just that. They dont even come to the west coast. there have been instances where people of color have tried to use the Naacp for ACTUAL discrimination cases? they either get ignored or passed the buck on. So trust me those guys are LAWYERS when they want to be.

I personally dont like him. However, they ARE lawyers, if they didnt feel they had a case? then turning public opinion is easy for them. It sways people.

For me its all politically motivated. The people of florida care more about their law than anything else. Which could explain wanting justice fro trayvon, as this WANT is what could get george off completely. Making excuses for killing someone doesnt work when there is no REAL justification, why do you think cops have to do it?

Was it used wrong in this case? i believe it has been construed as such.

honestly fulgore? DOES george zimmerman HAVE to be demonized in order for people to realize what he did was wrong? why putting himself in this predicament puts the whole country in a sticky situation?

EVERYONE wants to adopt this gun law, its NEEDED, but its not going to be abused by weirdos, zealots and gangbangers.

Being on neighbor hood watch means you do ONE thing, observe and report.

if you have made the mistake in thinking this isnt true? read up on it, im telling you.

Mutual combat doesnt excuse self defense.