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UPDATE Muslim Campaign Against Spanish Church
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Mc Esse	Mar 29 2012, 04:02 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/19/spain Quote: Muslims across Spain are lobbying the Roman Catholic church in the southern city of Córdoba to make a symbolic gesture of reconciliation between faiths by allowing them to pray in the city's cathedral. Córdoba's renaissance cathedral sits in the centre of an ancient mosque complex, and local Muslims want to be allowed to pray there again. They have appealed to the Vatican to intercede on their behalf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_campaign_at_C%C3%B3rdoba_Cathedral Quote: Since the early 2000s, Spanish Muslims have lobbied the Roman Catholic Church to allow them to pray in the Cathedral of Córdoba.The Muslim campaign has been rejected on multiple occasions, by both Spanish Catholic authorities, and the Vatican... The building was begun around the year 600 as the Arian Christian Visigothic church of St. Vincent... In 1236, Córdoba was conquered by King Ferdinand III of Castile in the Reconquista, and the mosque was turned into a Catholic church. Alfonso X oversaw the construction of the Villaviciosa Chapel and the Royal Chapel within the mosque. The kings who followed added further Christian features, such as King Henry II rebuilding the chapel in the 14th century. The minaret of the mosque was also converted to the bell tower of the cathedral. It was adorned with Santiago de Compostela’s captured cathedral bells.[12] http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/17/cordoba.mosque.spain/index.html So basically so much blood was lost to reconquer this church for the Christians, why the fudge should they just give it away? This site never rightfully belonged to Muslims in the first place, they STOLE it from the Christians! STEALING IS WRONG. I want to know what you guys think. Edited by Mc Esse, Mar 29 2012, 09:45 PM.



TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Mar 29 2012, 04:48 AM Post #2
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Er you do realise you can be Muslim and Spanish right? Guess not you're too much of a genius to know that.
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Meowth	Mar 29 2012, 05:36 AM Post #3
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	PrinceofSaiyajins456 Mar 29 2012, 04:48 AM Er you do realise you can be Muslim and Spanish right? Guess not you're too much of a genius to know that. Valid point, infact the wikipedia quote in the opening posts says "Spanish Muslims", so what, the Spanish stole from the Spanish? Opening post still makes little sense and the news article is from 2004, what exactly do you want to debate here?



* Sousen Ichimonji	Mar 29 2012, 10:59 AM Post #4
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	There's also the fact that there's no 'giving back' at all - the Spanish muslims are asking to reconcile islam and catholicism, after hundreds of years of tension, war and oppression between the two, by being allowed to pray in a Christian Cathedral. That's a fantastic sign of the two religions moving on together and co-existing - but people like you saying "why should we give it back? WE KILLED AND DIED FOR IT SO IT'S OURS FOREVER" are ruining that progress.
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Mc Esse	Mar 29 2012, 10:05 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Quote: Er you do realise you can be Muslim and Spanish right? Guess not you're too much of a genius to know that. You're right, I edited my post. Quote: Valid point, infact the wikipedia quote in the opening posts says "Spanish Muslims", so what, the Spanish stole from the Spanish? Opening post still makes little sense and the news article is from 2004, what exactly do you want to debate here? Well if you actually posted seriously about this issue, you would know that the Christian Spaniards soley deserve to pray in this church, along with other Christians. As opposed to the Muslim Spaniards, or any other Muslims, Jews, Hindus, whatever. It's a church. It is a sanctuary for Christians, sacred land. It was built by Christians around 1500 years ago, for Christians. Then Muslims conquered it, took it away from the Christians, stole it. Then the Christians got it back, alright through warfare. Warefare is immoral, I admit, but at the end of the day the Christians got land that belonged to them back. The principle remains fair, It belonged to Christians at first. Muslims took it away from the Christians. Christians got it back. Now Muslims want to share it. Excuse me. Let's use another example, if I come to your house, Rogue and I break into it, kick you out and lock you out of your own house, that wouldn't be right. You'd either break the door down to get back in, you would beat me up for trespassing on your property and you'd throw me out. Or you would call the police to take me away and do the dirty work for you. Now how would it be fair if I came back a few years after my jail and/or hospital time, knock on your door and say "Can we share this house Rogue? After all, we both had inhabited it.'' The principle is the same for the Muslims who want to pray at the Cathedral. Correct me if I'm wrong but the latest source is from 2010, which wasn't very long ago. Now do you think the Muslims should pray in a Christian institution? Why or why not? Edited by Mc Esse, Mar 29 2012, 10:08 PM.



+ Rebel X	Mar 30 2012, 02:09 AM Post #6
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Mc Esse,You really have no argument. Saying One side 'stole' something (which is essentially an invalid term for what you're saying on it's own) and calling it immoral is the same thing as saying the other side got that something from warfare. These religious wars and claims over space and property have been going on for much longer than you will ever live too see end and they will keep on going because of the simple intolerance between one another. I'd like to believe that in our lifetime we can do something significant about it so that the effect of millenniums from our past does not haunt the people of our future millennium. It may sound naive and silly but you share and coexist on the Earth. Having one religion rule the planet is absurd in this time of our lives because of the slightest detail in a book being rewritten, misunderstood or redistributed among the people a different way.



Meowth	Mar 30 2012, 03:41 PM Post #7
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Mc Esse Mar 29 2012, 10:05 PM Now do you think the Muslims should pray in a Christian institution? Why or why not? Yes, they should be allowed to, why shouldn't they? If we had a universal place of worship, that would be more space to build houses, people need houses more than they need places of worship.



Mc Esse	Apr 1 2012, 08:25 PM Post #8
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Rogue Mar 30 2012, 03:41 PM Mc Esse Mar 29 2012, 10:05 PM Now do you think the Muslims should pray in a Christian institution? Why or why not? Yes, they should be allowed to, why shouldn't they? If we had a universal place of worship, that would be more space to build houses, people need houses more than they need places of worship. Go do some research, and then tell me how many churches have been wrecked or renovated into houses, condos or anything elses. I think the Christians in Cordoba should be allowed to keep one of their oldest churches. Hence, it is theirs after all. Then again, until they actually do run into a problem of over population this small town has room for more houses. Quote: Saying One side 'stole' something (which is essentially an invalid term for what you're saying on it's own) That one side took something that didn't belong to them. Stealing. Edited by Mc Esse, Apr 1 2012, 08:25 PM.



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