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Tien (EOZ) vs Unrestrained Base Broly (Movie 8); No Tri Beam allowed.
Topic Started: Mar 19 2012, 01:18 AM (2,265 Views)
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Humans didn't use RST, and don't have any power raising techniques (or none shown) that they could use to train with.

Though Tenshinhan may have a few techniques in tow that could rock opponents who severely outclass him, I don't see him doing much against Borly.
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no power raising techniques? then how do you explain the power increase all the humans have made since DB? thats a strange thing to say.

all the z fighters had their potential released in some way, but unlike the saiyans they didnt get another crack at it.

if the humans had gotten another potential release (like gravity room training or rosat), they would have been pretty close. The humans showed they didnt NEED zenkais or senzu bean induced zenkais, to get as strong as goku did. As a mater of fact? they all trained and got a CRAPLOAD stronger than goku training with kami in less than ONE year than when goku only got up to a PL of 400 in 3 or more.

goku pushed the boulder, krillin pushed that SAME boulder, lets not downplay the humans, tien was already strong enough to fight roshi by the time he even came on the scene.

its time some real focus on the humans turns up what actually happened and stop hating just because the saiyans are powerful.

without the numerous zenkais and god water powerups, the humans would have passed goku a LONG time ago.

They climbed korins tower and trained there too. They RAN to the tournament UNSEEN at superhuman speed.

trying to say that as powerful as they got they have no power? cmon now. it looks to me like humans have more actual power than saiyans, vegeta was at 18,000 after his WHOLE life of training, after coming back from kais place they were taking out people vegeta was scared enough of to crap his pants over. All of you guys saying not even frieza? even by eoz? ur full of it.
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What's up with these dirty peasants running loose?this is just disgusting.


Broly finger flicks Tien to nearest solar system.

ANY version of cell would beat Tiens nugget head in



Tien's peak was definetly in between the 7 year gap between Cell~Buu,he's getting old,he doesn't have as much stamina at the EoZ.He probably even stopped training at all IMO,his body wouldn't be able to handle what he probably could in the android saga.

He could probably beat 100% True form Freiza at his very best *with some variation of the Kikoho.


Humans never had anything interesting going on with them after Freiza transformed into his 2nd form,that's right,Krillen was leagues ahead of Tien by then after he got a guru power up and yet he was still arguably weaker than Freiza in the Buu saga.

Didn't Daiz also cover what the Z fighters hobbies are?

Yamcha:Training
Krillen:Training
Tien:volley ball


Lol wut?how could he get much training done if he's playing volley ball with his pale little man?



Come on,the humans weren't relevant enough for them to get a significant power up,I think it's very generous to have Krillen/Tien even close to True form Freizas 50% power.


Anybody who even considers Yamcha being even close to 3rd form freiza level has either lost their mind or have either insane fangasm at a scar faced bandit.

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Tenshinhan (EoZ): < 1,000,000,000
Base Broly (unrestrained): > 26,000,000,000

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what are you dividing brolys power by? cause nothing suggests in the movie hes able to fight in base form.

if his base form is higher than gokus than that makes his ssj multiplier lower, and that CANT be true.

The only time broly showed any true power even BEFORE the headband he was ALWAYS in ssj. Except for one shot. and even then he looked like a false ssj.
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Mar 19 2012, 06:23 PM
what are you dividing brolys power by? cause nothing suggests in the movie hes able to fight in base form.

if his base form is higher than gokus than that makes his ssj multiplier lower, and that CANT be true.

The only time broly showed any true power even BEFORE the headband he was ALWAYS in ssj. Except for one shot. and even then he looked like a false ssj.
Nothing says he can't fight in Base. I see his Super Saiyan multiplier the same as everybody else's at that point, so his Base power can't be lower than Son Goku's IMO.
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i hate this, this is what happens when there is no real backstory to a character. inconsistencies and comprehension differentiation.

maybe im fooled by brolys bruce banner look, but i dont see him beating down semi cell. Or ASSJ2 vegeta for that matter.
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Mar 19 2012, 03:30 PM
Tien's peak was definetly in between the 7 year gap between Cell~Buu,he's getting old,he doesn't have as much stamina at the EoZ.He probably even stopped training at all IMO,his body wouldn't be able to handle what he probably could in the android saga
No. Tien survived Super Boo's Human Extinction Attack. Tien was shown training as Super Boo used his Human Extinction Attack, and other scenes during Boo Saga. Nothing suggests Tien aged significantly enough to the point he could not fight, quite the opposite actually, he appeared to show agelessness.

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He could probably beat 100% True form Freiza at his very best *with some variation of the Kikoho
Tien held down Semi-Perfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho. Saying he could severely injure Imperfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho at Cell Saga is modest, at EOZ he has far surpassed this.. Saying he could only beat Frieza is ridiculous when you have Semi Perfect Cell scene.

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Didn't Daiz also cover what the Z fighters hobbies are?

Yamcha:Training
Krillen:Training
Tien:volley ball

Lol wut?how could he get much training done if he's playing volley ball with his pale little man?


Daizenshuu- most legit source over manga and anime /sarcasm

Tien was shown and stated to have been training with Chiaotzu over the years. Daizenshuu isn't canon, unless anime or manga supports it.

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Anybody who even considers Yamcha being even close to 3rd form freiza level has either lost their mind or have either insane fangasm at a scar faced bandit.
No one's talking about Yamcha, go make another thread about him if you'd like.
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Mar 20 2012, 01:17 AM
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Mar 19 2012, 03:30 PM
Tien's peak was definetly in between the 7 year gap between Cell~Buu,he's getting old,he doesn't have as much stamina at the EoZ.He probably even stopped training at all IMO,his body wouldn't be able to handle what he probably could in the android saga
No. Tien survived Super Boo's Human Extinction Attack. Tien was shown training as Super Boo used his Human Extinction Attack, and other scenes during Boo Saga. Nothing suggests Tien aged significantly enough to the point he could not fight, quite the opposite actually, he appeared to show agelessness.

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He could probably beat 100% True form Freiza at his very best *with some variation of the Kikoho
Tien held down Semi-Perfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho. Saying he could severely injure Imperfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho at Cell Saga is modest, at EOZ he has far surpassed this.. Saying he could only beat Frieza is ridiculous when you have Semi Perfect Cell scene.

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Didn't Daiz also cover what the Z fighters hobbies are?

Yamcha:Training
Krillen:Training
Tien:volley ball

Lol wut?how could he get much training done if he's playing volley ball with his pale little man?


Daizenshuu- most legit source over manga and anime /sarcasm

Tien was shown and stated to have been training with Chiaotzu over the years. Daizenshuu isn't canon, unless anime or manga supports it.

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Anybody who even considers Yamcha being even close to 3rd form freiza level has either lost their mind or have either insane fangasm at a scar faced bandit.
No one's talking about Yamcha, go make another thread about him if you'd like.
1. I guess Mr.Satan is semi cell level since he survived the genocide attack too hey?

2.Nothing suggests Tien has even made a significant increase post Kaio training IMO,he's under Krillen definetly in the Cell saga stated by Yamcha.Even though you can argue he surpassed krillen in the Buu saga it can't be by any significant amount.

He's weak.

3.Chaozu who was stated to be not a fighter by Tien himself before the cell games?what a nice sparring partner.
And where do people place Chaozu anyway?He should be a beast too right?atleast Imperfect Cell pre human level?I mean he's been training for 20 years non stop too right?lol.I see all these Tien fans say the exact same thing,using "sparring with chaozu" as it if has some relevancy to Tiens power.

Nobody would ever get much of an increase in power unless they use their full power against an equal or close power in general. Sparring with somebody tremendously weaker wouldn't give you much of a success in training.

In this case,I think Daiz is correct,Tien and Chaozu both like the same thing,Volley ball :D

4.

Why would I want to make a topic about somebody who's irrelevant to the story?

I'd much rather open a discussion about a character who's actually interesting.




5. Please provide even 1 evidence showing that Tien is semi cell tier.


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Mar 20 2012, 10:43 AM
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Mar 20 2012, 01:17 AM
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Mar 19 2012, 03:30 PM
Tien's peak was definetly in between the 7 year gap between Cell~Buu,he's getting old,he doesn't have as much stamina at the EoZ.He probably even stopped training at all IMO,his body wouldn't be able to handle what he probably could in the android saga
No. Tien survived Super Boo's Human Extinction Attack. Tien was shown training as Super Boo used his Human Extinction Attack, and other scenes during Boo Saga. Nothing suggests Tien aged significantly enough to the point he could not fight, quite the opposite actually, he appeared to show agelessness.

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He could probably beat 100% True form Freiza at his very best *with some variation of the Kikoho
Tien held down Semi-Perfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho. Saying he could severely injure Imperfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho at Cell Saga is modest, at EOZ he has far surpassed this.. Saying he could only beat Frieza is ridiculous when you have Semi Perfect Cell scene.

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Didn't Daiz also cover what the Z fighters hobbies are?

Yamcha:Training
Krillen:Training
Tien:volley ball

Lol wut?how could he get much training done if he's playing volley ball with his pale little man?


Daizenshuu- most legit source over manga and anime /sarcasm

Tien was shown and stated to have been training with Chiaotzu over the years. Daizenshuu isn't canon, unless anime or manga supports it.

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Anybody who even considers Yamcha being even close to 3rd form freiza level has either lost their mind or have either insane fangasm at a scar faced bandit.
No one's talking about Yamcha, go make another thread about him if you'd like.
1. I guess Mr.Satan is semi cell level since he survived the genocide attack too hey?

2.Nothing suggests Tien has even made a significant increase post Kaio training IMO,he's under Krillen definetly in the Cell saga stated by Yamcha.Even though you can argue he surpassed krillen in the Buu saga it can't be by any significant amount.

He's weak.

3.Chaozu who was stated to be not a fighter by Tien himself before the cell games?what a nice sparring partner.
And where do people place Chaozu anyway?He should be a beast too right?atleast Imperfect Cell pre human level?I mean he's been training for 20 years non stop too right?lol.I see all these Tien fans say the exact same thing,using "sparring with chaozu" as it if has some relevancy to Tiens power.

Nobody would ever get much of an increase in power unless they use their full power against an equal or close power in general. Sparring with somebody tremendously weaker wouldn't give you much of a success in training.

In this case,I think Daiz is correct,Tien and Chaozu both like the same thing,Volley ball :D

4.

Why would I want to make a topic about somebody who's irrelevant to the story?

I'd much rather open a discussion about a character who's actually interesting.




5. Please provide even 1 evidence showing that Tien is semi cell tier.


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Unless you have Chaozu being a beast at the EoZ as well.
4. Then leave. you won't be missed here.
I belive that Tien was

Now to talk about this fight.
We have never seen Broly as an adult in his Unrestrained Base. When we see him as a teen, he apears to be coherent, although he still falls into fits of rage (Specifically the scene where Paragus tries to put the crown on Broly. He first seems to be coherent, calling to his father, and then he jumps up to attack his father when he realizes what was going on. This is lighty different to what we see in his SSJ and LSSJ forms where he would just attack the seceond he saw something move. If Broly was able to think, then he would be able to beat Tien easily. If he goes psycho, then Tien would have the upperhand and use his techniques (and possibly some of Broly's by using his Mimicry technique) and have a better chance of winning. In terms of strength, Broly would have the upper hand, but Tien has a better grasp of Ki attacks and has a lot more support techniques like Solar Flare and Afterimage, so he could hold off Broly's more powerful attacks for the majority of the fight. I still have Broly winning here, but if Tien was able to use his (Neo)Tri-Beam, then he might have more of a chance, but in the end, i have Broly winning. Most of Broly's techniques would be able to severely damage Tien in a few hits, but Tien would be able to dodge/block enough of Broly's attacks to make it interesting.
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If Tien is above Frieza by EoZ, he's above Base Broly IMO.
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Mar 20 2012, 02:44 PM
If Tien is above Frieza by EoZ, he's above Base Broly IMO.
Goten's base is as strong as Android 18, and Broly tanked Goten's attacks while they were in the smae form.
So it's
Broly>>>Goten=Android 18>>Frieza
Why do people still believe that Frieza was stronger than the base late z saiyans? The Goten vs 18 fight discredits it.
Trunks is the true Legendary Super Saiyan. Broly pales in comparison to him.

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If Tien is above Frieza by EoZ, he's above Base Broly IMO.
Goten's base is as strong as Android 18, and Broly tanked Goten's attacks while they were in the smae form.
So it's
Broly>>>Goten=Android 18>>Frieza
Why do people still believe that Frieza was stronger than the base late z saiyans? The Goten vs 18 fight discredits it.
I don't think that, but I find it hard to believe that Broly (Base) > 100% Frieza.
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just to not make it so difficult alot if people have broly = goku in base.

even if this is true it would put broly anywhere between 165-80 million in ssj during the frieza saga.

his full power super saiyan form over gokus as gokus full power super saiyan wasnt realized until the cell saga.

since they coincide and ssj broly>semi cell, but full power perfect cell has the same boost as LSSJ broly.

so the true question is.

does the multiplier happen before or after ?

cause if goku WAS a full power ssj in movie 8 like suggested then broly really is only 1.5x stronger than goku to begin with. Same with cell.

so all of that makes sense if you make it easy.

but i believe brolys base is below gokus, and that his ssj form has a bigger multiplier.

nothing in that movie suggests brolys power doesnt support him. cause it does. him being as strong as goku in base form does seem a little ridiculous. But you never know. especially considering broly did no fighting in base form and seemed rather peaceful.

his power makes him psycho though, as it would any saiyan that didnt discover MSSj like goku did.

maybe if goku was able to to teach this technique to broly he couldve chilled out for a minute.

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Mar 20 2012, 03:18 PM
I don't think that, but I find it hard to believe that Broly (Base) > 100% Frieza.
I haven't been here for 5 days and the Broly downplay starts pouring

Unless you believe that Goten and Trunks were stronger than Broly, which is retarded, Broly would casually *****stomp any Frieza, or Cooler for that matter

Broly casually stomped SSJ Goten and Trunks, and since Broly used SSJ to stomp their SSJ, then Broly's base is stronger than their base

Goten's base is on par with Android 18

Broly>>>Trunks>Goten~Android 18

If you have a hard time believing that Broly > Frieza, then you must have Frieza>>>>>>Android 18
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