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Mar 17 2012, 02:29 PM Post #16 |
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truth, it can be construed this way as you say, but.... since goku was trying to HIDe ssj3 and tell everyone he wasnt strong enough from the get go. thinking gohan and finding out vegeta was dead put a serious hamper into his first plan. He proved this to himself when he went up against buu as an ssj2 and actually got laughed at by babidi. so in order to get buus atention goku did TWO things so they wouldnt worry about trunks and goten. One he told them that they WOULD find who they were looking for just as soon as possible, then after making that promise asked buu WHY he worked for babidi sowing seeds of dissent, especially since everyone knew buu had killed his creator, bibidi. Then to prove goku WASNT lying, he turned into an ssj3 and fought buu. But ssj3 was never part of the plan, and even though he really just wanted to buy time? you could tell he got carried away. He didnt just fight buu he TRIED to kill him. But thdn buu healed an fired a kame blast just as powerful as gokus. One that goku knocked away with little effort. In truth ANY fusion chracter would be considered stronger than gokus ssj2 as HE knew about SSJ3 and was trying to keep it secret. This is all speculation since he didnt really consider this in any of his thought bubbles, but the results were the same. But his actions and resultant yelling at trunks was proof enouff goku wasnt supposed to use ssj3 even as an alternative. and since king kai yelled all the way at him from HEAVEN? then that must mean that gokuy KNEW the consequences of revealing this form on earth. so essentially based on what actually happened goku was wrong, and right at the same time. He was wrong thinking buu wasnt very strong and assumed he could just do what vegeta did. but better. no he then forced himself to use SSJ3 on buu when in fact he knew the consequences and wasnt REALLY DOING anything but supposedly buying trunks some time. Time trunks didnt need as neither fat buu NOR babidi could read ki to find him. But goku was desperate. So he went ssj3 under duress. But made up for it by putting on a show for buu. goku fights him and realizes he isnt going to win so quick and leaves via instant transmission KNOWING buu could copy the technique. like any other he showed him. goku flat out stated TWICE that it wasnt his job anymore and wanted to pass it on. When he left for the otherworld he KNEW he wasnt coming back. This argument started over people assuming not that gotenks is stronger than goku, or "strong" enough to beat buu, this started over people saying that gotenks>>>ssj3 goku which simply makes NO sense. Then to use the ruse goku told buu so he could buy some time is soooo obvious that goku himself told the reason why he said it soon afterwards, looking down earthward and speaking on the welfare of the people below, KNOWING they would die. He was buying time, and he said so. this also puts the movie 12 timeline firmly in place around HERE. Because goku left. where as movie 12 made goku state that he fought buu and janemba was stronger than buu. But fat buu and super buu are the same sooo.... Im just saying, the fusion was assumed to be able to produce power enough to fight buu from ANYONE. Not just gotenks. But it was assumed by goku that anyone fused would have access to more power, unlike him who had NO practice and NO energy to spend in the living world, on ssj3. and yet he was already fighting fat buu, and then later on exchanged a few minor blows with super buu. Goku ssj3 isnt that weak, he just wasnt strong enough. Ssj gotenks was believed in as a fusion by goku and piccolo, but that was ONLY when gotenks FUSED IN SSJ and then went from there. Piccolo no knowing a fusion could transform was another reason to doubt as goku didnt explain this. or get the chance to. Either that, or neither one of them knew, and thats the reason they formed gogeta in base for movie 12. which for me now sits tangent and directly in the middle of the buu saga. explains why goku and vegeta are dead. Knowing they shouldnt be. All i can say is that goku from the moment he realized he couldnt use ssj2, he knew fighting buu would be almost impossible and he only had one day to be there. so yes, in a sense of the word gotenks IS stronger than goku but not gokus ssj3 form. because gotenks in ssj is just as strng as goku or should be so they can have a chance with buu. But having to be in SSJ with their ki's matched evenly and COMPLETELY at full power while fusing is very telling indeed. Because fusing in ssj gives more power adders to the form. Fusing in ssj is straight genius it should at least DOUBLE your power, and thats what happened with gotenks. he went from being as weak as vegeta and goku in ssj2, to as strong or slightly stronger than goku in general as goku cant maintain his brand new form. But then it became obvious goku was right the first time. no way would gotenks have beat fat buu, no so easily. and definitely in the amount of time for the fusion, which i doubt now since goku couldnt finish it quick. ssj gotenks and fat buu would be a knock fdown drag out with buu probably winning. lets face it, he would get mad, so mad that what happened to him would happen at the fight. he would release pure buu n a new form and get attacked, then ssj gotenks would be stuck on stupid, fighting with TWO buus. probably getting killed in the process of watching grey buu become super buu. Thus goku admitting his weakness to the kids. and teaching them fusion. |
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