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Base Goku (EOZ) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
Topic Started: Mar 16 2012, 08:55 PM (1,429 Views)
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Who wins?
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Base Goku (EOZ)~Oob~Kid Boo~SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga)>Fat Boo~>SSJ Gotenks (pre ROSAT)

Base Goku stomps effortlessly
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CatouttaHell
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SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku is stated and never contradicted. Not to mention it's stated that Son could sense him all the way from the Kaioshin Realm. How exactly is he below Dai Kaioshin Boo?
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I'm not sure if SSJin Gotenks (Pre) was ever sensed, but SSJin Gotenks (Pre) at minimum should be above Fat Boo.

Anyways, here's my chain:

SSJin Gotenks (Pre) >>/> SSJin3 Goku ~> Pure Boo ~ Uub's Enraged Burst >> Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Enraged Uub ~> Fat Boo.
Edited by Mysterious9001, Mar 16 2012, 11:42 PM.
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CatouttaHell
Mar 16 2012, 09:31 PM
SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku is stated and never contradicted. Not to mention it's stated that Son could sense him all the way from the Kaioshin Realm. How exactly is he below Dai Kaioshin Boo?
i already busted this beilef wide open, there is NO where in the manga that this is stated. Not by goku or anyone else. As a matter of fact gotenks didnt even get a chance to fight fat buu and goku and piccolo couldnt even read buu right. Goku only got the idea when he fought. Nothing states ssj gotenks prerosat was stronger than goku. NOR could be even strong enough to finish buu.

show me the scan. heres mine in http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8346691/4/#post8438897 another topic.

Ive already done my homework on this matter
Edited by Paikuan extreme, Mar 17 2012, 12:21 AM.
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I dunno. At the most I'd put SSJ Gotenks slightly stronger than Fat Boo? Just like Ninjajp, I don't remember this being stated.
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Viz, Vol 25, p89;
Goku: "Say...have you noticed...that Boo's chi is gone?"
Kaioshin: "What?!""Oh...you're right...!!"
Kibito: "Does that mean...?!"
Goku: "...I don't know...I don't feel the kids' fused chi either...But they haven't fought yet...""Why would their chi disappear...?"


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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”
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i dont need to quote i have the scan.

and its clear goku said this as a ruse to buu and babidi, especially since he was hoping to turn buu against babidi and END this.

see how worn out goku is though? thats because he has NO energy for a form he SHOULDNT be using. His most powerful form to fight with at this time is SSJ2 which is useless against buu and vegeta proved this. SSJ3 was NO good to use. period. Goku stated this over and ovr, and yet ended up being forced to use ssj3 and EATING up his energy/time.

Goku proved his advantage over buu by knocking his copycat kame blast out of the way with little effort.

goku even went to buu hoping TO fight in ssj2 and realized his folly. Thjats when he realized this wasnt gonna work, fighting buu in SSJ3 would take TOO long, he tried it, and NO one knew fusion but him. It was the ONLY choice, JUST like he said.

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If he was lying then his statement would have been contradicted, and it obviously wasn't. Son Goku was not saying Gotenks would be more capable of beating Boo because he wouldn't have the strain of SSjin 3, he was simply saying that Gotenks would be stronger than him.

There's no reason to not believe what Son Goku said except personal bias.
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Thanks, I've to rewatch the anime soon, I'm missing too many crucial facts. If SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, than I'd say Gotenks takes it.
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I know I'm bringing up an old argument, but where does Base Goku (EoZ) lie in regards to the power scale?
I always thought it went like this;

Super Vegetto > Boohan > Bootenks > U.Gohan > Super Boo >= SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>> SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga) >= Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Base Goku (EoZ) >= Oob (Enraged) >> Good Boo >= SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta (Boo Saga)
Edited by Yu Narukami, Mar 17 2012, 01:17 AM.
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Mar 17 2012, 01:05 AM
If he was lying then his statement would have been contradicted, and it obviously wasn't. Son Goku was not saying Gotenks would be more capable of beating Boo because he wouldn't have the strain of SSjin 3, he was simply saying that Gotenks would be stronger than him.

There's no reason to not believe what Son Goku said except personal bias.
ur wrong, because goku and his situation all say the same thing. Goku handled buu easy in ssj3 and didnt have the energy to fight, his trying to hide it was enough to understand this as well as being included in his thoughts. AT NO time did goku want to use ssj3 because he KNEW the consequences.

He even tried buu out, and super kame blasted him. It didnt work. he knew it would take more time. Time he didnt have.

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piccolo even asked him and the nCONTINUED to wonder at the cost of using ssj3. Especially after he found out goku had less than an hour by his own estimate, at which he also got wrong cause he had half an hour.

From the getgo fusion was the only option, goku said this from the beginning and already had fusion in mind as SOOn as he came back from fighting buu and not being able to use SSJ2 like he planned.

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Mar 17 2012, 01:17 AM
I know I'm bringing up an old argument, but where does Base Goku (EoZ) lie in regards to the power scale?
I always thought it went like this;

Super Vegetto > Boohan > Bootenks > U.Gohan > Super Boo >= SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>> SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga) >= Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Base Goku (EoZ) >= Oob (Enraged) >> Good Boo >= SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta (Boo Saga)
Base Goku is about on par with Uub, who is at least stronger than Mr Buu (Goku expects Uub to be powerful enough to win the tournament and later says Uub is as powerful as he expected).
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Shirtless Base goku would mollywop these kids. Shirtless base goku was able to tank hits from omega shenron!
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Mar 17 2012, 01:25 AM
CatouttaHell
Mar 17 2012, 01:05 AM
If he was lying then his statement would have been contradicted, and it obviously wasn't. Son Goku was not saying Gotenks would be more capable of beating Boo because he wouldn't have the strain of SSjin 3, he was simply saying that Gotenks would be stronger than him.

There's no reason to not believe what Son Goku said except personal bias.
ur wrong, because goku and his situation all say the same thing. Goku handled buu easy in ssj3 and didnt have the energy to fight, his trying to hide it was enough to understand this as well as being included in his thoughts. AT NO time did goku want to use ssj3 because he KNEW the consequences.

He even tried buu out, and super kame blasted him. It didnt work. he knew it would take more time. Time he didnt have.

and his sweating profusely while it being mentioned by piccolo proves this. Posted Image

piccolo even asked him and the nCONTINUED to wonder at the cost of using ssj3. Especially after he found out goku had less than an hour by his own estimate, at which he also got wrong cause he had half an hour.

From the getgo fusion was the only option, goku said this from the beginning and already had fusion in mind as SOOn as he came back from fighting buu and not being able to use SSJ2 like he planned.

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What your saying is all well but it still doesn't quite prove that SSJ3 Goku was stronger than SSJ Gotenks.

He makes a clear statement about someone stronger than himself coming to fight Buu and as Catouttahell has suggested it never gets contradicted with a solid statement.

A good comparison of such a statement being contradicted is when Piccolo asks Goku if he could have beaten Majin Boo when he was stalling. I dont have the actual quote atm but it goes like this.

Context: Upon the lookout Piccolo asks Goku whether he could have beaten Boo whilst SSJ3

Piccolo: "Back there when you were stalling for time... could you have actually finished Boo if you tried?"
Goku: "I dunno, Boo's mighty strong! There's no telling what could have happened."


And here is the quote that contradicts what Goku said earlier making it clear he was lying before to Piccolo.

Volume 26
Chapter 315: Battle for the Universe
Context: Goku tells Vegeta that he could have beaten Majin Boo before, but of course Vegeta doesn't give a damn and flies off..

Goku: "You know i actually could've beaten the Fat Boo with Super Saiyan 3 when i met him... But i wanted the new generation to make sure they could take care of themselves."
Edited by Ryebrid, Mar 17 2012, 03:31 AM.
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