Clearin

Mar 16 2012, 05:23 PM

I see many people have these 3 at no more than about 5,000,000 and even that seems to be high to most, myself included.

However it seems that many things point towards the 3 being stronger than SSj Trunks from the Trunks saga:

1. Goku and Piccolo both say that you shouldn't come if you don't think you can help. With the knowledge that the Androids are stronger than SSj Trunks, yet all 3 of them show up.

1B. Tien says he left Chaozu behind because he didn't feel like Chaozu was strong enough, which helps further prove that Tien does indeed think he is strong enough to fight the Androids who are supposed to be stronger than SSj Trunks.

2. The Androids state they can get a large amount of energy from Yamcha:

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Chapter 338 (DBZ 144), P11.4
No.19: “No, it is not Son Goku…He doesn’t match the data. There’s a 96% chance this is the human known as Yamcha…”
No.20: “At any rate, we’ll be able to obtain a large amount of energy.”

I understand this isn't solid proof, but would 2 guys who are stronger than Freeza really consider anything below 5,000,000 a "large amount of Ki"?

3. This line:

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Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P3.2
Yamcha: “Fra-frankly I don’t want to go…Sorry…Those guys…nearly killed me and I was helpless to resist…”

It's not until after Yamcha tries and fails does he want to not fight, meaning he was planning to fight the Androids all along, knowing they are stronger than the Super Saiyans 3 years ago.

4. Twice in this saga Piccolo stops the humans from trying to fight:

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Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.6
Context: after Tenshinhan, Gohan, and Kuririn want to chase after No.20
Piccolo: “I understand…But don’t try and fight him. He’s not an opponent you guys could handle…”

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Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P14.6
Context: as Piccolo goes to fight the androids
Piccolo: “Don’t come, you guys. You ought to know that it would be pointless.”

Yet he had no objection to everyone wanting to fight before the Androids appeared.

This happens quite a lot this saga actually. Goku gets "mad" at Tien for trying to stop Semi-Perfect Cell, but has no problems with him wanting to face the androids.

5.

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Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P14.7
Context: after seeing that Gohan, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn had followed him
No.20: “If I collect their energy and add it to my own, I’ll be able to win against Vegeta!”

So a suppressed Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Gohan should be enough to beat Vegeta. Would PLs of below 5,000,000 really help that?

So what do you think about the humans PL in this saga?

Kblo247

Sep 4 2012, 10:54 PM

I still say that for Yamcha to fit Gokus calculated expectation


8000 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 80,000,000

That's at the very least without kiaoken * 4, if Gero felt Goku would make 10 fold gains yearly on earth at the least after making a 20 fold gain in a year

Kblo247

Sep 4 2012, 11:02 PM

No he wouldn't. Not going by yearly gains. Goku would barely have to improve in 4 years after that huge 20x jump in one year