Tien, Yamcha and Krillin's power in the Android saga

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Tien, Yamcha and Krillin's power in the Android saga
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 16 2012, 05:23 PM (8,930 Views)
+ Clearin	Mar 16 2012, 05:23 PM Post #1
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I see many people have these 3 at no more than about 5,000,000 and even that seems to be high to most, myself included. However it seems that many things point towards the 3 being stronger than SSj Trunks from the Trunks saga: 1. Goku and Piccolo both say that you shouldn't come if you don't think you can help. With the knowledge that the Androids are stronger than SSj Trunks, yet all 3 of them show up. 1B. Tien says he left Chaozu behind because he didn't feel like Chaozu was strong enough, which helps further prove that Tien does indeed think he is strong enough to fight the Androids who are supposed to be stronger than SSj Trunks. 2. The Androids state they can get a large amount of energy from Yamcha: Quote: Chapter 338 (DBZ 144), P11.4 No.19: “No, it is not Son Goku…He doesn’t match the data. There’s a 96% chance this is the human known as Yamcha…” No.20: “At any rate, we’ll be able to obtain a large amount of energy.” I understand this isn't solid proof, but would 2 guys who are stronger than Freeza really consider anything below 5,000,000 a "large amount of Ki"? 3. This line: Quote: Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P3.2 Yamcha: “Fra-frankly I don’t want to go…Sorry…Those guys…nearly killed me and I was helpless to resist…” It's not until after Yamcha tries and fails does he want to not fight, meaning he was planning to fight the Androids all along, knowing they are stronger than the Super Saiyans 3 years ago. 4. Twice in this saga Piccolo stops the humans from trying to fight: Quote: Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.6 Context: after Tenshinhan, Gohan, and Kuririn want to chase after No.20 Piccolo: “I understand…But don’t try and fight him. He’s not an opponent you guys could handle…” Quote: Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P14.6 Context: as Piccolo goes to fight the androids Piccolo: “Don’t come, you guys. You ought to know that it would be pointless.” Yet he had no objection to everyone wanting to fight before the Androids appeared. This happens quite a lot this saga actually. Goku gets "mad" at Tien for trying to stop Semi-Perfect Cell, but has no problems with him wanting to face the androids. 5. Quote: Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P14.7 Context: after seeing that Gohan, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn had followed him No.20: “If I collect their energy and add it to my own, I’ll be able to win against Vegeta!” So a suppressed Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Gohan should be enough to beat Vegeta. Would PLs of below 5,000,000 really help that? So what do you think about the humans PL in this saga? Edited by Clearin, Mar 16 2012, 05:25 PM.



*Copy_Ninja*	Mar 16 2012, 05:35 PM Post #2
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Tbh, I think this is where the earthlings peak (apart from Tien, but I don't think he improved all that much even with 7 years. There's only so much you can do with basic earth training and Chaozu). The most I'd give them is 50% Frieza and even that seems too high (more like 20%). It's a shame, but I don't think they can be any higher.
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NeoSSayajin	Mar 16 2012, 05:52 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,085 Group: Member Member #5,734 Joined: February 15, 2011 Country Argentina What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Copy_Ninja Mar 16 2012, 05:35 PM Tbh, I think this is where the earthlings peak (apart from Tien, but I don't think he improved all that much even with 7 years. There's only so much you can do with basic earth training and Chaozu). The most I'd give them is 50% Frieza and even that seems too high (more like 20%). It's a shame, but I don't think they can be any higher. Power increase is something that the plot requires, thats why between DB and DBZ Goku and Piccolo only gained a little amount of power. In my opinion the humans should be at least at 50-100% Frieza if they think they can be helpful against the Androids (who supposedly were > SSj Future Trunks > Mecha Frieza), if not they would have retired just like Chaoutzu. People tend to overate Frieza's power since he was the leader of the Saiyans, the PTO and his power was collosal until he was defeated by SSj Goku, but post Namek he is thrash, just like King Piccolo, Raditz, Saiyan Saga Vegeta, etc, after their battles. Teen Gohan, very clever using Yamcha's quote. Edited by NeoSSayajin, Mar 16 2012, 06:55 PM.



Pylons	Mar 16 2012, 06:00 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	It saddened me when everyone was going into the hyperbolic time chamber to train and Tien said even with the training he didn't think he'd be much help so he decided against it. I think Tien's always in the fight with tri beam. He wasn't near semi perfect cell's power level but held him off for a good while with it. If he trained, his tri beam could've been enough to bother Perfect Cell, not seriously damage but he wouldn't simply brush it off. Even if he wasn't going to be much help, it would've been all the more heroic if they tried, so would've liked Krillin and Tien to train together or yamcha and tien to train together in the chamber after Vegeta and Future Trunks finished their second turn. Edited by Pylons, Mar 16 2012, 06:03 PM.
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RasDragon	Mar 16 2012, 09:58 PM Post #5
Posts: 321 Group: Member Member #5,668 Joined: January 30, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z	I do agree with who said they only made it to 50% Frieza or less. I don't think it was meant that LITERALLY that those 3 could "fight the androids." I believe it's the same situation as when Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan worked together against Nappa. Or when Vegeta believed that Krillin and Gohan could help him take Frieza, so they all attacked him at once. They can try to make progress by fighting together as a group, NOT one on one against the enemy. Edited by RasDragon, Mar 16 2012, 09:59 PM.



+ Clearin	Mar 16 2012, 10:07 PM Post #6
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	The one that makes me wonder the most if Yamacha's quote. He was clearly expecting to be able to do something agaisnt the Androids if he only gave up after they beat him, so he must have been expecting to be able to at least stand a chance to begin with, something he shouldn't be able to do at only 50% of Freeza.



Pylons	Mar 16 2012, 10:14 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	The first time Yamcha saw Frieza and felt his power was when he came to earth as Mecha Frieza right? I read somewhere that when Frieza arrived on earth as Mecha Frieza, Gohan said he seemed alot weaker then how strong he was on Namek but Vegeta said he was stronger then he was before so sort of inconsistent. It might've also just been the dub I was watching, funi dub. So if Mecha Frieza was infact weaker then he was as his 100% fp on Namek, then maybe Yamcha based his chances against the androids off that. Edited by Pylons, Mar 16 2012, 10:15 PM.
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+ Clearin	Mar 16 2012, 10:15 PM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	sorairoday Mar 16 2012, 10:14 PM The first time Yamcha saw Frieza and felt his power was when he came to earth as Mecha Frieza right? I read somewhere that when Frieza arrived as Mecha Frieza, Gohan said he seemed alot weaker then how strong he was on Namek but Vegeta said he was stronger then he was before so sort of inconsistent. It might've also just been the dub I was watching, funi dub. So if Mecha Frieza was infact weaker then he was as his 100% fp on Namek, then maybe Yamcha based his chances against the androids off that. But he also felt SSj Goku and SSj Trunks powers and knew the androids would be stronger than both of them.



Pylons	Mar 16 2012, 10:22 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	True XD. I'd have to agree with RasDragon then. I don't think Yamcha or any of the humans intended to fight the androids alone but to fight as a group but they had to fight when confronted with a powerful enemy alone or die. If nothing else, the humans were gutsy which was admirable. The same thing sort of happened to Krillin when the z fighters were searching for dr. Gero in the mountain. It's sort of like scooby doo, "Alright gang let's split up and find this monster". Except the humans are sort of like Shaggy and Scooby Doo, whereas Goku is that blonde guy. Fred that's his name lol. Edited by Pylons, Mar 16 2012, 10:25 PM.
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NeoSSayajin	Mar 16 2012, 11:36 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,085 Group: Member Member #5,734 Joined: February 15, 2011 Country Argentina What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	sorairoday Mar 16 2012, 10:22 PM True XD. I'd have to agree with RasDragon then. I don't think Yamcha or any of the humans intended to fight the androids alone but to fight as a group but they had to fight when confronted with a powerful enemy alone or die. If nothing else, the humans were gutsy which was admirable. The same thing sort of happened to Krillin when the z fighters were searching for dr. Gero in the mountain. It's sort of like scooby doo, "Alright gang let's split up and find this monster". Except the humans are sort of like Shaggy and Scooby Doo, whereas Goku is that blonde guy. Fred that's his name lol. That was filler. See how inconsistent filler is that Krillin was thrashed by A20, but he did quite well against Imperfect Cell... Edited by NeoSSayajin, Mar 16 2012, 11:38 PM.



Pylons	Mar 17 2012, 12:13 AM Post #11
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	Krilin was the first z fighter to face Cell wasn't he? He fought Cell before Cell was able to absorb alot of people which caused his power level to get alot higher, starting out as a bit stronger then Krillin to as strong as Super Namek Piccolo to as strong as Android 16 in imperfect. Edited by Pylons, Mar 17 2012, 12:14 AM.
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NeoSSayajin	Mar 17 2012, 12:29 AM Post #12
Posts: 1,085 Group: Member Member #5,734 Joined: February 15, 2011 Country Argentina What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	sorairoday Mar 17 2012, 12:13 AM Krilin was the first z fighter to face Cell wasn't he? He fought Cell before Cell was able to absorb alot of people which caused his power level to get alot higher, starting out as a bit stronger then Krillin to as strong as Super Namek Piccolo to as strong as Android 16 in imperfect. That was also filler.



RasDragon	Mar 17 2012, 02:02 AM Post #13
Posts: 321 Group: Member Member #5,668 Joined: January 30, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z	Imperfect Cell was distracted, Krillin got one good cheap shot while Cell's guard was down then he finished Krillin quick.



Battle Power	Mar 17 2012, 05:20 PM Post #14
Posts: 663 Group: Member Member #6,803 Joined: September 28, 2011	I personally don't have them much strong at this point of the series. My Power Levels for them. Kuririn -------- 2,000,000 Tenshinhan - 1,300,000 Yamucha ------ 450,000 Chiaotzu ------- 350,000 If we're looking from a logical point of view, then there is no chance they would even hope to catch up to the base saiya-jins by doing their normal training. The zenkais from before made Vegeta, Goku and Gohan skyrocket in comparison to them, and from watching DB and DBZ up to this point, we all know Goku is a better trainer than them, so he would develop more in the three years, plus the fact he wasn't training by himself, which is even better. But in the end, they probably are around the base saiya-jins, it wouldn't be the first time Dragon Ball Z made a plot-absurdity as I call it.
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NeoSSayajin	Mar 17 2012, 07:25 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,085 Group: Member Member #5,734 Joined: February 15, 2011 Country Argentina What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Battle Power Mar 17 2012, 05:20 PM I personally don't have them much strong at this point of the series. My Power Levels for them. Kuririn -------- 2,000,000 Tenshinhan - 1,300,000 Yamucha ------ 450,000 Chiaotzu ------- 350,000 If we're looking from a logical point of view, then there is no chance they would even hope to catch up to the base saiya-jins by doing their normal training. The zenkais from before made Vegeta, Goku and Gohan skyrocket in comparison to them, and from watching DB and DBZ up to this point, we all know Goku is a better trainer than them, so he would develop more in the three years, plus the fact he wasn't training by himself, which is even better. But in the end, they probably are around the base saiya-jins, it wouldn't be the first time Dragon Ball Z made a plot-absurdity as I call it. From a logical point of view, if those were they PL's they would even show to fight the Androids, since they knew that Androids > SSj Yardrat Goku > SSj Future Trunks > Mecha Frieza. If Yamcha thought he could do something useful against the Androids prior his A20 encounter and then decided to step out the fight means that he was expecting to be handful. I like your PL list, although if the humans still show up they should be at 50-100% Frieza plotwise. One more thing, when the Z Fighters felt Frieza's and King Cold's ki at Gingertown Krillin decided to go with Trunks, if he would be at 2.000.000 he would have stepped out, but he went nevertheless, Krillin thought he could be of good use against Frieza and Cold, so he should be <=> near them. Don't overate Frieza, after Namek he is garbage. Edited by NeoSSayajin, Mar 17 2012, 07:35 PM.



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