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| Pookie | Mar 10 2012, 04:52 AM Post #1 |
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I want to know what's people's opinions are on revealed who plays for Manchester city. Lol this should be fun. |
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| * Bex | Mar 28 2012, 04:22 PM Post #2 |
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All players that play for Manchester City are scum, what more do you need to know? Mario Ballotelli is an idiot, Carlos Tevez gets paid millions and chooses when it is he decides to show up to play games, Nigel De Jong is a complete and utter arsehole for lack of a better word, Micah Richards is a total donkey that thinks he's the best defender in England and the list goes on. Tevez isn't as bad as the rest of them but disappointingly, he seems to score goals for them whilst being highly unpopular even with their own manager. He's also a traitor for going there after playing for Manchester United, but I think they fell out with him anyway so it doesn't matter all that much. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Mar 28 2012, 04:38 PM Post #3 |
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Ballotelli is hilarious....also he gives money to random people |
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| * Bex | Mar 28 2012, 04:45 PM Post #4 |
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Which is a sign that they're all overpaid and there needs to be some kind of footballers set wage. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Mar 28 2012, 04:47 PM Post #5 |
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Yeh that's true. Still he seems like quite a nice guy. Bit silly but still nice. |
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| * Light | Apr 23 2012, 01:41 AM Post #6 |
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Shouldn't this apply to musicians/actors/celebrities too? As for the original question, I don't think there much different to other players. They're often paid higher wages than suits their actual ability but this has always been the case with a team which is trying to break the stranglehold of a more historical team. To get players to join them they had no choice but to offer over the odds wages to tempt them to a smaller club, as they become more successful and they start developing their own players and generating revenue through advertising and shirt sales things will be smoother and I imagine the crazy spending sprees will be curtailed. |
 
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| * Bex | Apr 23 2012, 12:12 PM Post #7 |
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Celebrities yes, Actors and Musicians no. Actors and Musicians are entertainers that bring a lot of people joy and other emotions as well. For example, David Bowie wrote Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars, which is an album my mum will cherish for the rest of her life. That album is about 40 years old and now it gives me a lot of joy to listen to. So I'd say that Mr Bowie deserved the money he has for entertaining and bringing joy to a great many people over a long time. For footballers it isnt the same. Theres a lot of anger and disappointment that comes from football and other sports, hence the hooliganism. If a team loses, the fans are disappointed and nobody really takes the footballers to account for the things they do unless its considered a disgrace to the game, for example, Roy Keane breaking that one guys leg out of malice that time or Tevez deciding he wasn't going to come on as a substitute. But on a normal day, their wages just get more and more, and for what? Inconsistant form and outright arrogance. In the music business, if you're *****, you get no cash. In football, you can be ***** and make a few thousand pounds a week. It doesn't add up. |
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| * Light | Apr 28 2012, 02:46 AM Post #8 |
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I disagree (politely), bands such as one direction or JLS don't write music or play instruments and yet make millions Whereas footballers earn depending on their ability, every player who earns thousands a week is a formidable sportsman who has most likely dedicated their childhood to learning the game and been playing since they were very young. I have dvds of games/world cups from years ago that I still watch, I continue to get enjoyment from watching legends of the game who played before I was born, I can happily re-watch games. In this aspect I am the same as your mum, only I cherish old football games on a dvd, whereas the cherishes old music on an album (I also love David Bowie by the way). Over 3.2 billion people watched the 2010 world cup, that's a lot of people who were entertained by 22 people on a pitch. As for taking footballers into account for the things they've done, many rock starts are fairly vocal about their drug use, which would get a footballer banned, or heavy drinking, which a footballer would be unable to do and perform to a high level. Footballers have a short shelf life, they can expect their first proper contract at 20, years after putting services into the club at youth level, meaning it is usual for a player to play from 8-17 without having a pro contract and not earning. They usually retire around 33-36 which means it is a short window in which they can earn money, afterwards they have to find a new job whereas a musician can continue to collect royalties from their music. I'm not saying musicians aren't entitled to their money, they are artists and the majority are incredibly talented, Football is not an art but a sport that generates an incredible amount of money, these people put in an incredible amount of effort (no less than a musician) into being the very best at something, of course professions like soldiers should earn more but if we're to speak in cold statistics they don't generate income but people will pay to watch a football game, as they will pay to listen to an album. |
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| * Bex | Apr 28 2012, 03:09 PM Post #9 |
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Just cuz you might not like JLS or One Direction doesn't make them ***** in the eyes of others. Something must've worked considering they progressed fairly well in their talent show, and they continue to do well musically, despite the fact they may not play instruments or write the songs. If people still buy the albums and listen to the songs to a large degree, you're popular. The way football works is just stupid. Fernando Torres was bought for £50 million and has scored one major goal for Chelsea. In the long term, the investment they made is appauling. Simon Cowell or whoever is in charge of JLS has made a better investment in JLS or whatever than Chelsea have in Fernando Torres, and he's still meant to be a good player. I don't think so. Same goes for Kaka the Brazilian player. He is by far not the best player in the world and never has been. He couldn't step up to the plate and put a ball in a net from standing play the other day. The amount paid for those players is absolutely insane based off of pure speculation that they're going to do well. Manchester City this season are only doing as well as they are, because they attracted players with the promise of tons of money. There is no way that David Silva and Carlos Tevez would have seen Manchester City, and gone "That's the club I want to be at", without being lured in by massive pay cheques for their services to the game, and basically they can't guarantee that they're going to play well at all. If a music artist isn't guaranteed to get a company sales, they aren't signed or are booted from the label and you may never hear from them ever again. The ones that are signed may only even be popular for a couple of years before languishing in obscurity, say for example, Craig David who had a few hits on his debut album and now is only known for those few initial hits he had. Nobody really knows what the heck it is he's doing now, and I doubt a lot of people care, but footballers can just ride on their former glory for years. Michael Owen for example, he was a great player at Liverpool, he went to Real Madrid and I don't think they did him any favours, but he must've got a crap ton of cash from them. Then he came to Newcastle and basically sucked them dry of money, and he hadn't been good since he left Liverpool. He had barely gotten regular play at Real Madrid and has always had injury problems but by the time Manchester United bought him, they said, we're not paying for you if you are going to be injured all the time, so you're only going to be paid when you're played, and he had to settle on that, because if he wanted to stay in the top flight, that was the best deal anybody was gonna give him, and quite frankly I'd say that was a fair deal and I'm glad he accepted the deal. Other players like Tevez on the other hand would never settle for that, they'd charge outrageous fees for ***** performances and decide he won't play for you and that is in no way a justification for the amount of money spent on transfers for these people, or their wages. |
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| * Light | Apr 29 2012, 02:25 PM Post #10 |
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I never said that either band weren't very good or that I was not a fan of them, I just stated that neither band play instruments on their songs or write their own lyrics and yet still make millions. They all must be good singers to have gotten this far but if they all weren't such handsome men I find it hard to believe they would be as successful as a large part of their success is the way they can be marketed, rather than their musical ability. Torres is still a good player (If you're not watching the game today check the motd highlights) whose going through a terrible patch, It was a bad investment but it was one funded by Roman Abramovich with the intention of winning trophies, this has obviously not gone to plan but he never did it with the intention of making profits. Some clubs do try to make a profit and use specific tailored transfer market tactics such as Newcastle who employ a 'Moneyball' system to ensure that they buy players who they could sell on for an increased value. There's also teams like Arsenal who rely on being self-sustaining and only buy within their means, while it is admirable to spend only what you make in profit it's revenue this comes at a price as they get left behind by clubs which have either an increased revenue from years of monopolising, or a club that has a rich owner who spends. I completely agree with you that Manchester City have basically bought their position in the league through spending millions rather than any informed decisions to nurture talent through grass roots systems which should be the priority. In the defence of their spending though they are playing catch up with clubs who have had decades at the top level and although the prices and wages they spend are inflated, most clubs are guilty of this to some aspect. Manchester United have spent over the odds on players numerous times, as have all the big teams in the world. No player can guarantee their level of performance so it is always going to be a risk, but a music company take similar risks in signing a big name musician, spending a lot on his contract and marketing, only to then have the album flop. Music companies tend to be fairly black and white with regards to making money, whereas making money is less important to football clubs than winning trophies and affording the bills. The things with Craig David is that he is still a multi millionaire despite only having one successful album, most footballers after they retire can't rely on their former glories and they have to find another job, many of them becomes coaches/commentators/pundits but there's a plethora of retired footballers out there working completely standard 9-5 jobs. While it is insanse some of the money spent on footballers based on speculation, an example of this being a fault with other professions would be a film like Sahara (in which the lead roles were very well paid) went on to lose $105 million dollars which is even more insanse than the losses made on players by clubs. What Carlos Tevez did was disgusting, especially considering the wages he was paid but this was very much an isolated incident, it's incredibly rare for a footballer to refuse to play, out of the thousands of professional players it's very hard to name more than a handful who acted in this manner. In the same manner, Daniel Radcliffe admitted while working on the Harry Potter movies than he had filmed scenes drunk, this is a man who has earn over £50 million pounds from his job yet can't go to work sober? My argument here being while what Tevez did was absolutely terrible it's definitely not limited to footballers and actors and musicians can be just as guilty. |
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| * Bex | Apr 29 2012, 06:20 PM Post #11 |
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Well Daniel Radcliffe was a child actor so being in that kind of spotlight at such a young age will do some weird things. People are gonna wanna know more about him than Carlos Tevez in general. Carlos Tevez being at Manchester City though isn't surprising because since he came to the Premier League he's been messing clubs around trying to get as much money as he can out of them. |
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| * Light | Apr 30 2012, 04:33 PM Post #12 |
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I definitely sympathise with Daniel Radcliffe, it must have been a lot of stress being in the public eye but I was using him more as an example that people from all professions are fallible. I definitely agree that Tevez is at Man City only because of financial reasons and has no loyalty towards the club and has acted without any dignity though. Some players do great things as well, Drogba is building a hospital back in Africa and the majority do a lot of charity work, most clubs have mandatory charityvolunteer work as part of the players professional contract. I understand why you think they don't deserve their wages, I definitely think a wage cap could be beneficial to the game but in my opinion I don't see there being any distinction between performers (footballers/actors/musicians) whereas you obviously do which I understand. |
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| * Bex | Apr 30 2012, 06:26 PM Post #13 |
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Don't the Chelsea fans for the most part dislike Drogba anyway? |
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