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| How close to the adults do you really have Trunks and Goten; Post ROSAT | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2012, 05:39 AM (908 Views) | |
| * Lord Cooler | Mar 4 2012, 05:39 AM Post #1 |
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A few people have SSJ Gogeta=SSJ Gotenks. So it makes me wonder what makes them think Goten and Trunks are equal to Goku and Vegeta. Tell me how close you have them and why. |
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| Muhahahaha | Mar 4 2012, 05:46 AM Post #2 |
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They trained in the rosat and surpassed their SSj pre rosat in base. Quite big progressing like that can easily make them as strong as the adults lol. |
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| Mysterious9001 | Mar 4 2012, 06:07 AM Post #3 |
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I have Goten and Trunks (Post RoSaT) only 83% of Goku, so I have them pretty close. |
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Mar 4 2012, 06:30 AM Post #4 |
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I have Son Goten (Post) at 90% of his father due to the implications that Son Goten (Pre) ~ Teen Gohan and the huge boost he probably got in the RoSaT. Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Expected) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre) implies that a small difference in the power of the fusees can make a gargantuan difference in the power of the fusion, and if you take the implications of SSjin 3 Gogeta being below Gotenks-Boo seriously then there must be a very tiny gap between the Kids and the adults Post-RoSaT IMO. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 4 2012, 07:37 AM Post #5 |
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I know I'm going to get it for this, but I have Post Rosat Goten and Trunks>Goku and Vegeta. Because I have them so close as Pre, to me logically it only makes sense. |
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| * Lord Cooler | Mar 4 2012, 10:51 AM Post #6 |
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Having the kids close to Vegeta doesn't really bother me much. But how can you have them so close to Goku. Someone who is not only a SSJ2 but also a SSJ3. Imagine all the training he went through in the afterlife. You have the adults (including Gohan) who have trained almost all of their life, been trained by some of the greatest masters, received countless Zenkai's, Gohan had his potential unlocked, trained in the ROSAT for far longer than Trunks and Goten.They've been through all of that to get to how strong they are. And then you have the kids. Goten was trained by Chi-Chi. Can't imagine that did much. The only time Gohan has trained him I think was in preparation for the tournament. I could be wrong on that. And he trained for bugger all the time in the ROSAT. Trunks has been trained pretty damn hard by his dad but surely not that many times. And trained in the ROSAT for bugger all time. IMO I don't see how this puts them anywhere near their fathers let alone Gohan. I understand they are hybrids but come on. |
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| Balthazor | Mar 4 2012, 11:38 AM Post #7 |
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Gohan was absolutely amazed at Gotens strength,and they went toe to toe when they fought against each other. IMO Teen Gohan>Kid trunks>=Goten Kid trunks having a 5% advantage over Goten and Gohan having a 10% advantage over trunks seems pretty good if you ask me. |
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| + Clearin | Mar 4 2012, 01:34 PM Post #8 |
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The kids power post RoSaT has always been something that I could never really work out. It all depends on if when Gotenks gets stronger, does only Gotenks get stronger or do Goten and Trunks also get stronger? If it's the later then I'd have the 2 boys above even Goku because Gotenks really got a crapton stronger (I use a x10 SSj multiplier). But if it's only Gotenks who gets the gain then I would have no idea where the place the boys. They obviously still trained when the fusion ran out but nothing is ever said on their powers post RoSaT. And for the record I have Gotenks post RoSaT above Gogeta. I know a lot of people will disagree but I don't have Gotenks 10x weaker than Gogeta pre RoSaT so he surpassed him in the process of surpassing his old SSj self. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 4 2012, 02:01 PM Post #9 |
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Well, by The time the kids are Post Rosat, Goku and Vegeta from Base to SS2 are equal and The Name says himself that he isn't sure if Makin Vegeta is stronger than Chibi SS2 Gohan, which means the same about Goku's SS2 as well. Then we have Dabra who fought MSS Gohan who was weaker than his Cell Games self and was even weaker because Kibit couldn't restore all of Gohan's chi. Vol 21, pg 184. Context: Kibit is restoring Gohan's chi. Kibit: He's still not back at full power...his chi's immeasurable. I never thought there could be an rattling with such vast, pure energy...No wonder they wanted it! Now Dabra was having problems with Gohan, and Gohan's biggest problem was just his fighting senses. Seeing how weak Dabra is in the Manga, and how he did against a double weakened Gohan, and with The Namek's statement, it shows up that the boys are extremely close to the Adults even without the Rosat. Also, the fact The Namek isn't eve sure if Majin Vegeta>Chibi SS2 Gohan tells us that Goku didn't even double his power in 7 years. Also, Gotenks in the Rosat more than doubled his power in such a short amount of time, gives us an idea of how much Goten and Trunks increased too, what also helps paint the picture is how powerful Goten and Trunks are without any MSS Training. Goku in the Boo arc isn't as far a head as he's made out to be, it's obvious more than anything Goku got two SS more than an insane increase. |
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Mar 4 2012, 05:48 PM Post #10 |
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Son Gohan was already >>> Son Goku at 4 years of age, despite never training. The next generation always blows the previous one out of the water... |
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| lunar2 | Mar 4 2012, 06:57 PM Post #11 |
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i have 25th budokai goten =< trunks ~ gohan (in the same forms). post rosat goten and trunks are easily stronger than goku or vegeta, and possibly even as strong as post z sword (pre ultimate) gohan, but gogeta is still stronger than gotenks, because of the rival boost. |
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| sylentknyte | Mar 5 2012, 01:18 AM Post #12 |
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I dont even have them being remotley close to Goku. About 1/5th of his strength, and 1/4th of Vegeta's each. |
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| Mysterious9001 | Mar 5 2012, 01:53 AM Post #13 |
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You're a Gohan nerfer? |
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Mar 5 2012, 02:09 AM Post #14 |
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Well, SSJ3 Gotenks>>>SSJ3 Goku, we know that of course, so obviously, Base Gotenks>>>Base Goku. Base Goku and Base Vegeta are about on par, so Base Gotenks should be miles ahead of Base Vegeta and Base Goku. Now, you just need to see what you use as a fusion multiplier. My Fusion Dance multiplier is (a+b)*20. So, we have this (Gt is Goten, T is Trunks, V is Vegeta, G is Goku) (Gt+T)*20>G=V Goten and Trunks are exactly equal during the fusion, as Trunks has to lower his PL to match Goten's, so assuming that Trunks, while performing the fusion dance, is equal to Goten, we have: (2T)*20>G=V 40T=40Gt>G=V So, 40x Trunks or 40x Goten would be stronger than Goku or Vegeta, which means Goku and Vegeta have to be less than 40x stronger than Trunks or Goten (duh). This also gives us that 40x Trunks or 40x Goten is about equal to Gotenks. My SSJ3 multiplier is 56,000, so SSJ3 Gotenks would be Base Goku~Base Vegeta<40x Trunks~40x Goten<<Kid Boo~SSJ3 Goku<<<2,240,000x Trunks~2,240,000x Goten</=Super Boo And... yeah, that's as much elaboration you're getting from me. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 5 2012, 02:27 AM Post #15 |
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I really don't see how someone can have Goten and Trunks that weak, even Pre-Rosat too. Because it's pretty much stated that SS2 Goku isn't even stronger or is just a little stronger than SS2 Chibi Gohan, The Namek isn't even sure Majin Vegeta is or not and he's equal to SS2 Goku. When MSS Goten and MSS Gohan Trained, Goten was holding his own the whole time and gave Gohan problems...he even had to fly up to catch his breath. And to the Goten and Trunks haters...Gohan was NOT going easy on Goten, he was Trained NOT to and it's completely out of his Character saying so. Look at Goku's armor leaving the Rosat, it was obvious Gohan took him to the limit and gave Goku a run for his money. So, Gohan wouldn't go easy on Goten, besides in a few panels before everyone gathers for the Budokai we see Gohan and Goten nearly even, sweating quite a bit and aura's up, showing they were going all out. |
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