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How I see it
Topic Started: Feb 29 2012, 10:02 AM (4,201 Views)
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lol, Fat Boo beat Dabra without effort; why would Kid Boo even need to absorb Southkaioshin if he's that weak? Unless you believe that Dabra is SSJ3-tier and that Fat Boo's only chance was to candy-beam him (which you'd obviously not believe seeing as how you believe that SSJ Vegeta is enough for Dabra)
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Mar 1 2012, 07:17 PM
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Mar 1 2012, 01:17 PM
OYou see, I don't like turning thread into 'just another Boo or Broly thread' but I can't help myself right now.

Anyway, I think you two (LC & Saber) are rating Movie 10 Broly way too low.

Even if you don't go by the main timeline theory, Broly is always going to end up stronger than the SSjin2 adults. But you may ask 'how is that possible if the most he accomplished was beat a rusty teen Gohan who was obviiiii~ously leagues below the SSjin2 adults?'
Well the fact of the matter is Piccolo actually doubts Vegeta's ability to beat Fat Boo based on Fat Boo>SSjin2 Teen Gohan. That tells us that the gap between Vegeta and Teen Gohan still isn't big enough for Vegeta to stomp Teen Gohan. Now considering the way Broly beaten SSjin2 Teen Gohan, he should be stronger than any SSjin2 adult and likely on Mr Boo's level.
I kinda do have Movie 10 Broli on Mr. Boo's level, which still puts M10 Broli still far enough above all non-fusion and Post Zeta Sword SS2 for it to be a stomp imo. But anyone could still get away with putting M10 Broli between Grey Boo and Mr. Boo's power and it still work.
Well I just noticed you have SSjin2 Goku>Mr Boo~Movie 10 Broly. I don't see how that makes any sense really.

Mr Boo does infinitely better against Pure Boo than SSjin2 Vegeta does and Vegeta should be around kid Gohan's level (or still at his Madoshi level) so it should go;

Mr Boo>>SSjin2 Vegeta~Kid Gohan>Teen Gohan.

Then when you consider that it's stated fact that the SSjin2's aren't that far apart, LSSjin Broly should be > SSjin2 Goku/Prince of Destruction Vegeta at least.
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It's like that because...I have no idea why Mr. Boo is that low, it was a mistake I didn't notice.
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Mar 1 2012, 07:58 PM
lol, Fat Boo beat Dabra without effort; why would Kid Boo even need to absorb Southkaioshin if he's that weak? Unless you believe that Dabra is SSJ3-tier and that Fat Boo's only chance was to candy-beam him (which you'd obviously not believe seeing as how you believe that SSJ Vegeta is enough for Dabra)
Well I never said SSJ Vegeta was enough for Dabura, Goku said it, by agreeing with Vegeta that he can beat Dabura before knowing Vegeta can go SSJ2. Kid Buu is not smart, he didn't just say let me absorb this guy because he is so powerful. Kid Buu is a mindless monster that does things for no reason.
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↑ you argued that SSJ Vegeta was implied to be enough to take Dabra to support your argument; so, you did use that.

And I don't think Kid Boo that incredibly stupid; nothing honestly suggest him being that inept. Give an instance in which Kid Boo made move that was dumber than either Goku's or Vegeta's move not to fuse. He'd have no legitimate reason to absorb someone even more weak than Perfect Cell (At Goku), and I don't see evidence of Kid Boo doing something like that for the lols.

Dabra's about as strong as the guy who releases the sword, and yet the strongest of the Kaioshin is that much weaker? I dunno about that one; If that's the case, Dabra should have had himself a fresh Z-Sword and rule both the Demon World and the World of the Kaioshin.
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I used it because it's what Goku seems to imply. How can we explain Goku agreeing with Vegeta that he can beat Dabura without knowing Vegeta can go SSJ2? Maybe Vegeta would have needed SSJ2 to beat Dabura but Goku didn't think so...
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Saberoph
Mar 1 2012, 08:10 PM
It's like that because...I have no idea why Mr. Boo is that low, it was a mistake I didn't notice.
Lol I was wondering why you had him so low :P
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Lol yeah, it was just one of those minor detail mistakes I usually make. :lol:
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Mar 1 2012, 04:42 PM
I'm beginning to see things differently now...AT rushed the crap out of this saga and nothing makes sense. Now when I see better translations, the evidence I saw proving Kid Buu>Super Buu is not as easy as it looks. It all started with that Dabura comment, Kibitio Kai's statements, and the fact that it's almost impossible to have your power increase with no source, then all that power vanishing. Maybe these "evidence" were mistakes by AT? I don't know, but there are things in this saga that does not add up. When I showed evidence, I tried for it to be strictly manga and believable, and some people believe Kid Buu>Super Buu because they believe Goku>Gohan...yeah. Anyway, this is a topic I will lay off from, from now on, too many crap going on here.
Well here's the thing. There is actually no evidence. The majority of people who think Pure Boo>Evil Boo have been reading pretty poor fanslations by people who really can't translate well at all ('<un-trans>'), are Goku fanboys or have been watching the anime too much.
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i have super janemba stronger than majin buu as goku himself compared him TO majin buu and his power, and that was in baby form.

I have fat janemba= majin buu (at least super buu) and super janemba over buutenks.

I have ssj3 gotenks= buuicolo

ultimate gohan >ssj3 gotenks

ssjin gogeta= base vegito

ssj3 goku= full power base gotenks (post)

Grey buu>>good buu>LSSJ broly movie 10>=ssj2 goku/ majin vegeta/ base gotenks (pre)

goku and vegeta in movie 12 are stronger than their anime counterparts.

and even though in main the elder kai said potarra is a better fusion.

Gogeta was made AFTER vegito.

So the powerscaling for having him so weak makes no sense. He is the movie version of vegito.

By numbers he isnt as strong as vegito, but no way is he below gotenks.

ultimate goha>superjanemba

My gap for gogeta and vegito is the same gap i have for gohan and gotenks.



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@Weskur

In the end, I cannot argue with you concerning Vegeta being able to defeat Dabra; I believe that Dabra was as strong as Cell 3 (Zenkai) so we wouldn't get anywhere in arguing.

Prime reasoning for having Dabra that high:

Manga SupportedCell 3 (At Vegeta, Trunks) <<<< Future Trunks (A2SSJ, At Cell) <<<<
Goku (SSJ, At Karin's Tower) |2| Goku (SSJ, At Cell)

Piccolo (At Cell Junior) < Piccolo (At Budokai 25) <<<< East Kaioshin <<<< Dabra (Before Majin Seal) <<<< Dabra (At Gohan)
IMOGoku (SSJ, At Cell, 40%) < Piccolo (At Cell Junior) < Goku (SSJ, At Karin's Tower)

A lot of big powers for Dabra to only be in [< Goku (SSJ, At Cell), Cell 3 (Powered, At Goku, Gohan), Gohan (SSJ, At Cell)]. Especially since I don't view Piccolo as being so incredibly weak as to be less than 40% of Goku's power at Cell Games.
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Super buus true power wasn't shown yet when the Janemba movie was out yet.

Super Buu>Any janemba
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Mar 1 2012, 05:25 PM
South Kaioshin attempting to release the Z Sword and failing is more believable. you honestly believe he being the strongest did not try to pull it?
Exactly. I don't see why he wouldn't if he wanted to fight Boo. It was certainly implied by Kaioshin that the Z Sword would kill Boo (of course, that's obviously not true, that's just what he thought), so I see no reason why the Kaioshins wouldn't try to convince South Kaioshin to pull the Z Sword to fight Boo.

Plus, the fact that Kaioshin is strong by his nature should imply that he wasn't considerably weaker compared to the other Kaioshins.
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Feb 29 2012, 10:39 AM
This is how I see it though:

Hirudegarn>Super Vegetto>>>Buuhan>Buutenks>SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta>LSSJ3 Broly>SSJ2 Gotenks>Ultimate Gohan>Super Janemba>SSJ3 Broly>SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Vegeta>LSSJ Broly(Movies 8 & 10)>SSJ2 Gohan(Movie 10)>Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku>Super Perfect Cell>SSJ Broly>Perfect Cell>Bojack>MSSJ Gohan>MSSJ Goku>MSSJ Vegeta>MSSJ Trunks>Super Trunks>Initial Perfect Cell>Super Vegeta>>>Semi Perfect Cell~Super Android 13>>>Android 16>Android 17>Android 18>>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Trunks>>Cooler>Namek SSJ Goku>Frieza
And the dinosaurs?.
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Mar 2 2012, 04:45 PM
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Feb 29 2012, 10:39 AM
This is how I see it though:

Hirudegarn>Super Vegetto>>>Buuhan>Buutenks>SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta>LSSJ3 Broly>SSJ2 Gotenks>Ultimate Gohan>Super Janemba>SSJ3 Broly>SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Vegeta>LSSJ Broly(Movies 8 & 10)>SSJ2 Gohan(Movie 10)>Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku>Super Perfect Cell>SSJ Broly>Perfect Cell>Bojack>MSSJ Gohan>MSSJ Goku>MSSJ Vegeta>MSSJ Trunks>Super Trunks>Initial Perfect Cell>Super Vegeta>>>Semi Perfect Cell~Super Android 13>>>Android 16>Android 17>Android 18>>SSJ Vegeta>SSJ Trunks>>Cooler>Namek SSJ Goku>Frieza
And the dinosaurs?.
Don't forget SSjin Bulma :w00t:
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