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How I see it
Topic Started: Feb 29 2012, 10:02 AM (4,202 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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Goku (SSJ2) < Southkaioshin < Goku (SSJ3)
Goku (SSJ1) < Daikaioshin < Southkaioshin

Good Boo (At Kid Boo) < Fat Boo (At Goku) < Bad Boo (Max) < Kid Boo < Kid Boo (Southkaioshin) <
Fat Boo (Potential) < Super Boo (Initial) < Super Boo (Max) < Super Boo (Reverting) <
Super Boo (Piccolo, Trunks, Goten) < Super Boo (Gotenks, Piccolo) <
Super Boo (Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten)

Good Boo (At Kid Boo) < Bad Boo (At Good Boo) < Bad Boo (Max)

Fat Boo (Potential) = Good Boo (Max) + Bad Boo (Max)

Kid Boo comes from Bad Boo → Bad Boo (Max) = Kid Boo (Max)
(logic! logic! logic! for those who scream "logic" like the coc a doodle-do of roosters in the morning)

Good Boo = Daikaioshin + Southkaioshin

Vegeta (SSJ2, At Kid Boo) < Good Boo
Vegeta (SSJ2, At Kid Boo) < Daikaioshin + Southkaioshin

Vegeta (SSJ, After Majin Pact) < Daikaioshin  OR
Vegeta (SSJ, After Majin Pact) < Southkaioshin

Gohan (At Z Sword) < Vegeta (SSJ, After Majin Pact)?

(T/F) Gohan triggered Zenkai from Fat Boo.
(T/F) Gohan triggered Zenkai from Fat Boo that made him stronger than Vegeta, or even Goku.

Neither Southkaioshin nor Daikaioshin attempted to release the Z Sword, nor did they have a reason to.

Super Boo's power was fading while Kid Boo's was surfacing; this is why it felt like Boo was gaining power when reverting; Super Boo and Kid Boo are distinct.


How I see it

EDIT: :)
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Mar 1 2012, 02:59 AM.
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This is how I see it.

MSS Vegetto>MSS Gogeta>Ultimate Boo>Bootenks>Base Vegetto>Base Gogeta=Ultimate Gohan>Janemba>SS3 Gotenks=>Super Boo>MSS Gotenks>Buff Boo>Base Gotenks>SS3 Goku=>Chibi Boo>Fat Boo>Grey Boo>Movie 10 Broli>Mr. Boo>SS2 Goku=SS2 Vegeta/Majin>SS2 Gohan>Super Perfect Cell>Movie 8 Broli=Buff Cell>Dabra>Perfect Cell.

Yea, I know I have Movie 10 Broli still low on the list, but when it comes down to it. Movie 10 Broli is really nothing compared to most of the Boo's. Yes I follow the Alternate Timeline now, but I keep it realistic. There is no way Gohan could take his power to SS3 level Training mostly on his own for 7 years. Especially after seeing Goku's 7 years increase, where he nearly doubled his power, and Goku has more Training experience than Gohan does. So, logically Gohan's increase wouldn't be as high as Goku's, you can have the highest Potential of all the Saiyans but, if you don't know how to properly bring it out...then you're not gonna be that productive.
Edited by Saberoph, Mar 1 2012, 09:15 PM.
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Saberoph
Mar 1 2012, 05:06 AM
This is how I see it.

MSS Vegetto>MSS Gogeta>Ultimate Boo>Bootenks>Base Vegetto>Base Gogeta=Ultimate Gohan>Janemba>SS3 Gotenks=>Super Boo>MSS Gotenks>Buff Boo>Base Gotenks>SS3 Goku=>Chibi Boo>Fat Boo>Grey Boo>SS2 Goku=SS2 Vegeta/Majin>Mr. Boo=>Movie 10 Broli>SS2 Gohan>Super Perfect Cell>Movie 8 Broli=Buff Cell>Dabra>Perfect Cell.

Yea, I know I have Movie 10 Broli still low on the list, but when it comes down to it. Movie 10 Broli is really nothing compared to most of the Boo's. Yes I follow the Alternate Timeline now, but I keep it realistic. There is no way Gohan could take his power to SS3 level Training mostly on his own for 7 years. Especially after seeing Goku's 7 years increase, where he nearly doubled his power, and Goku has more Training experience than Gohan does. So, logically Gohan's increase wouldn't be as high as Goku's, you can have the highest Potential of all the Saiyans but, if you don't know how to properly bring it out...then you're not gonna be that productive.
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Thanks. I like yours too.

Even though yours and mine are pretty close. lol
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Badabing!

You see, I don't like turning thread into 'just another Boo or Broly thread' but I can't help myself right now.

Anyway, I think you two (LC & Saber) are rating Movie 10 Broly way too low.

Even if you don't go by the main timeline theory, Broly is always going to end up stronger than the SSjin2 adults. But you may ask 'how is that possible if the most he accomplished was beat a rusty teen Gohan who was obviiiii~ously leagues below the SSjin2 adults?'
Well the fact of the matter is Piccolo actually doubts Vegeta's ability to beat Fat Boo based on Fat Boo>SSjin2 Teen Gohan. That tells us that the gap between Vegeta and Teen Gohan still isn't big enough for Vegeta to stomp Teen Gohan. Now considering the way Broly beaten SSjin2 Teen Gohan, he should be stronger than any SSjin2 adult and likely on Mr Boo's level.
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Super Buu is not stronger than Kid Buu, it's impossible. Super Buu still has influence, and we have evidence that the Kais weakened Buu. Kid Buu being the original pure Buu, he's the strongest nonfused Buu.
No.

Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.

Buuhan > Buutenks > Super Buu > Kid Buu >= Fat Buu


Just think about it, in terms of the anime.
We see SSJ3 Goku fight Kid Buu evenly. Yet he cant do anything to Buutenks in SSJ3 let alone Buuhan.
But Kid Buu was going at it with SSJ3 Goku. SSJ Goku also beat Ultimate Gohan while Vegeta did in SSJ3 Gotenks(was really them but it was their power nonetheless) Also the Kais did weaken the state Buu was in making him the weak Fat Buu in the end.
Come on, we all know SSJ Goku could never beat Ultimate Gohan. If he could he would have just dumped on Buutenks instead of fusing. Vegeta didnt even have SSJ3, he cant even come close to beating an SSJ3, let alone an SSJ3 fusion.




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The manga always>the anime. Super Buu is still influenced, and it has been stated in the manga that the Kais weakened Buu. Kai energy and Buu energy are not compatible so Super Buu cannot be stronger than Kid Buu. The manga would be contradicting it's self. As I said, Kid Buu was not trying with Goku, this is also stated. Goku states Kid Buu was toying with all of them, and that he should have used the earrings.



Everyone around this forum says the Manga says Buuhan is the strongest. I dont read Manga, and the anime definitely shows Kid Buu is not the strongest.
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Anime Wise: Kid Buu is the strongest unfused Buu.
Manga Wise: Super Buu is the strongest unfused Buu.
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Nah the anime shows Super Buu is stronger.
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I'm beginning to see things differently now...AT rushed the crap out of this saga and nothing makes sense. Now when I see better translations, the evidence I saw proving Kid Buu>Super Buu is not as easy as it looks. It all started with that Dabura comment, Kibitio Kai's statements, and the fact that it's almost impossible to have your power increase with no source, then all that power vanishing. Maybe these "evidence" were mistakes by AT? I don't know, but there are things in this saga that does not add up. When I showed evidence, I tried for it to be strictly manga and believable, and some people believe Kid Buu>Super Buu because they believe Goku>Gohan...yeah. Anyway, this is a topic I will lay off from, from now on, too many crap going on here.

@bizness86 As I stated before, South Kaioshin is not as strong as you think he is. He was the strongest among the Kaioshins, but if he couldn't release the Z Sword, which takes a MSSJ to do that. We might not have hard evidence that he tried, but him being the strongest, why wouldn't he? I put him around Piccolo's level, strong enough to destroy Frieza in one blow, but weaker than a MSSJ.
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↑ Kaioshin >>> Piccolo. If that's not believed then why should I even consider Southkaioshin trying to release the sword? Don't correct opinions with opinions.
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South Kaioshin attempting to release the Z Sword and failing is more believable. you honestly believe he being the strongest did not try to pull it?
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Piccolo (Cell Games) < Piccolo (Budokai 25) <<<< Eastkaioshin <<<< Daikaioshin << Southkaioshin
Piccolo (Cell Games) <<<< Future Trunks (SSJ, Cell Games) < Vegeta (SSJ, Cell Games) <<<< Goku (SSJ, Cell Games)

And Future Trunks and Vegeta weren't dimensions above Piccolo...

You can't say much against that. no troln plz.
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You can fallow your opinion then, all I'm saying is, for South Kaioshin to miss the opportunity and not pull the sword seems silly to me. But I guess, it's AT being lazy.
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Dabra vs Southkaioshin then...
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Well Kaioshin was scared of Dabura so we know he's weaker, hell Kaioshin was even scared of, Pui Pui was his name? And Vegeta beat him at just base. Vegeta stated he could have beaten Dabura, Goku did not argue with that and Goku did not know Vegeta reached SSJ2, so...yeah more reasons why I believe South Kaioshin was not that strong at all. Because if Goku agreed Vegeta could beat Dabura before knowing Vegeta could go SSJ2, then Goku thought SSJ Vegeta was enough to beat Dabura. At least, that's how I see it.
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Mar 1 2012, 01:17 PM
OYou see, I don't like turning thread into 'just another Boo or Broly thread' but I can't help myself right now.

Anyway, I think you two (LC & Saber) are rating Movie 10 Broly way too low.

Even if you don't go by the main timeline theory, Broly is always going to end up stronger than the SSjin2 adults. But you may ask 'how is that possible if the most he accomplished was beat a rusty teen Gohan who was obviiiii~ously leagues below the SSjin2 adults?'
Well the fact of the matter is Piccolo actually doubts Vegeta's ability to beat Fat Boo based on Fat Boo>SSjin2 Teen Gohan. That tells us that the gap between Vegeta and Teen Gohan still isn't big enough for Vegeta to stomp Teen Gohan. Now considering the way Broly beaten SSjin2 Teen Gohan, he should be stronger than any SSjin2 adult and likely on Mr Boo's level.
I kinda do have Movie 10 Broli on Mr. Boo's level, which still puts M10 Broli still far enough above all non-fusion and Post Zeta Sword SS2 for it to be a stomp imo. But anyone could still get away with putting M10 Broli between Grey Boo and Mr. Boo's power and it still work.
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