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Topic Started: Feb 29 2012, 10:02 AM (4,203 Views)
Cocoman
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Weskur
Mar 1 2012, 12:23 AM
In one quote of Kibito Kai, he tells Old Kai "the heart that Buu gained that went so far as to lower his power through absorptions has returned back to the way it was before". It's suppose to be a Herms translation so it's pretty accurate. So this is kind of like saying, Buu got weaker through absorptions, not only Dai Kaio, but both Kaioshins.
Yeah as KP said above there is no plural. Also it is stated that before Boo absorbed Dai Kaioshin he was still 'pure evil' so that statement almost certainly doesn't apply to the South Kaioshin absorption.
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Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”
Edited by Cocoman, Mar 1 2012, 12:31 AM.
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Yeah, I really don't see how South Kaioshin weakened Boo at all when it's clearly suggested only Dai Kaioshin did which is why AT makes it clear by stating the traits that each of those 2 Kaioshins have.
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Hm...ok let's say South Kaioshin did give Buu something. How much stronger did Buu get? South Kaioshin wasn't that strong to begin with, at least imo. It was stated countless Kais tried pulling the Z Sword, Gohan did it at just SSJ. Now it's hard to say if South Kaioshin did or not, but why wouldn't he? He, one of the strongest of them did not try pulling the sword? And if he did try, and Gohan did it at SSJ, this makes South Kaioshin weaker than a MSSJ but at least stronger than a regular SSJ if it was stated that each Kai could have destroyed Frieza in one blow. I'll compare South Kaioshin to a Piccolo. A power like that, wouldn't give much to Buu.

@Mysterious9001 One problem I have with South Kaioshin making Buu stronger, is when Buu goes back to Kid Buu, he gets stronger but somehow loses that power? Now we can say it's because of South Kaioshin but it makes no sense, he wasn't there anymore to give Buu that boost. When Good Buu was removed, no one else was inside of Buu anymore so where is all that power coming from?
Edited by NavonWise, Mar 1 2012, 12:54 AM.
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Mar 1 2012, 12:40 AM
Hm...ok let's say South Kaioshin did give Buu something. How much stronger did Buu get? South Kaioshin wasn't that strong to begin with, at least imo. It was stated countless Kais tried pulling the Z Sword, Gohan did it at just SSJ. Now it's hard to say if South Kaioshin did or not, but why wouldn't he? He, one of the strongest of them did not try pulling the sword? And if he did try, and Gohan did it at SSJ, this makes South Kaioshin weaker than a MSSJ but at least stronger than a regular SSJ if it was stated that each Kai could have destroyed Frieza in one blow. I'll compare South Kaioshin to a Piccolo. A power like that, wouldn't give much to Buu.
Well it's like saying how much weaker did Dai Kaioshin make Boo. If it just turned into a subtraction then Dai Kaioshin would have needed to be a beast right?
The best explanations for this situation are imo;

A) AT doesn't give a ***** quite frankly.

B) Boo just exaggerated South Kaioshin main attributes in the same way Dai Kaioshin's attributes were exaggerated due to the mysterious way Kaioshin magic effects Boo.
Hell even Dai Kaioshin's clothing turned up in Fat Boo even though South Kaioshin>Dai Kaioshin when it has been shown countless times that the stronger the fighter shows up physically through their clothing.


Also something I brought up before is Kaioshin says that the South Kaioshin was 'somehow' absorbed by Boo. Now that only makes sense in the context that he thought South Kaioshin should have been able to beat Boo.
It might just be possible that AT 'retconned'(for lack of a better term)/forgotten the whole Z sword situation and decided to make South Kaioshin a monster.
Edited by Cocoman, Mar 1 2012, 12:55 AM.
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I take A, to be honest. The Buu saga imo is the most complicated saga, nothing is stated correctly, and it's the saga with the most debates. And well that depends, was Kaioshin even there when South Kaioshin was absorbed? He probably does not know the details of how he got absorbed..
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Yeah it's like when people try to use pls to prove a point. AT just didn't care about/like the pl system at all. He even stated in an interview that they limited his abilities to be 'creative' in his fights. That says it all imo.
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Mar 1 2012, 12:57 AM
And well that depends, was Kaioshin even there when South Kaioshin was absorbed? He probably does not know the details of how he got absorbed..
Well, what I meant was that Kaioshin, by this point, knew how Boo absorbed his victims and what methods he used so imo it doesn't really make sense to interpret it like that.

It's only possible in my mind.
Edited by Cocoman, Mar 1 2012, 01:04 AM.
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I agree with Weskur.
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Mar 1 2012, 02:05 AM
I agree with Weskur.
Your opinion is invalid, not wanted and not needed.

Besides (if i'm not mistaken) Weskur is coming around.
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Boo absorbed the traits of the Kaioshin, so it's most likely that South Kaioshin did give Boo a huge boost.
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Mar 1 2012, 02:12 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:05 AM
I agree with Weskur.
Your opinion is invalid, not wanted and not needed.

Besides (if i'm not mistaken) Weskur is coming around.
An unwanted and invalid opinion on a community message board. I like it.
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Mar 1 2012, 02:15 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:12 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:05 AM
I agree with Weskur.
Your opinion is invalid, not wanted and not needed.

Besides (if i'm not mistaken) Weskur is coming around.
An unwanted and invalid opinion on a community message board. I like it.
Look i'm only going off what i've seen from your previously. Your bias for Goku blinds your judgement. It's like the Syrian UN Ambassador's crocodile tears.
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Cocoman
Mar 1 2012, 02:17 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:15 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:12 AM
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Mar 1 2012, 02:05 AM
I agree with Weskur.
Your opinion is invalid, not wanted and not needed.

Besides (if i'm not mistaken) Weskur is coming around.
An unwanted and invalid opinion on a community message board. I like it.
Look i'm only going off what i've seen from your previously. Your bias for Goku blinds your judgement. It's like the Syrian UN Ambassador's crocodile tears.
I agree with you. So in respect to LC, I won't continue this argument here.
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Edited by Cocoman, Mar 1 2012, 02:22 AM.
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