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Topic Started: Feb 28 2012, 04:55 AM (2,493 Views)
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Feb 29 2012, 10:05 AM
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I'm damn serious
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- Master of Dragon Ball
- Feb 29 2012, 05:04 AM
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Ultimate Gohan >> SSjin 3 Gotenks >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks >>> SSjin Gotenks (Post) >>> Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku > Base Goku (EoZ)
Even with the EoZ hax there's no reason for Son to be anywhere near Gohan.
I just have; Gohan>SSjin3 Gotenks>SSjin Gotenks(post)>base Gotenks(post)>SSjin Gotenks(pre)>SSjin3 Goku~base Goku (eoz). The Evil Boo-Gotenks fight is a perfect example of AT not giving a ***** about multipliers + I don't have Gotenks getting an individual SSjin2 boost. The way the kids describe SSjin3 implies they only unlocked one further transformation beyond SSjin.
Daizenshuu says they unlocked it so they did. They probably thought the second level was still the first one.
So you follow guide books eh? Then choke on this from the guidebook DB Forever which was released as a guide for the Kanzenban release of the manga;  Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. Evil Boo>Pure Boo confirmed. Also this from DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02;  Refers to Gohan as having “fantastic power surpassing even Super Saiyan 3” following the Elder Kaioshin’s power-up.
Do you read and understand Japanese? I'm a native speaker ,and I shall confirm that they indeed do say that Gohan>Goku and that Super Buu was severely weakened without fat.
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Cocoman
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Feb 29 2012, 02:55 PM
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Badabing!
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@Master of Dragonball, you're obviously a Goku fanboy. Just give up.
Goku states he is simply no match for Evil Boo's strength before he realized he was a midget. I have already explained countless times that Evil Boo>SSjin3 Goku/Pure Boo is an absolute fact and there's no way around it. Even DBfights called it stupid and illogical to have Goku stronger than Gohan and Gotenks even though he argues for Pure Boo>Gohan>Evil Boo lol.
Edited by Cocoman, Feb 29 2012, 02:57 PM.
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Feb 29 2012, 03:31 PM
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- Master of Dragon Ball
- Feb 29 2012, 05:39 AM
Link. I'll believe it when I see it, but I won't believe heresay. http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=360
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Any kind soul that would translate the page I posted please? :roll:
This sort of thing really doesn't motivate me to do you any favors. I'm also annoyed at people posting up seemingly random manga panels/pages and asking for translations without any explanation of why they want them translated. I'm going to go over those Boo images, but this will be the last strength-related translation request I take, either in this thread or in PMs or anything. I probably won't respond to any of the other translation requests in this thread either, but there's at least a slight chance I will if it's something I find interesting. Anyway, here's the Boo stuff:  Describes the pure Boo as “powered up” (in comparison to what form isn’t specified). From DB Forever, a manga guidebook.  Says Goku has “The highest respect towards the strongest enemy!” From DB Forever.  Says Vegetto won’t let “the mightiest majin” lay a finger on him. From DB Forever.  Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.  Says Goku is excited about a battle with the existence of the entire universe on the line, and that the pure Boo comes to the Kaioshin Realm seeking strong opponents. From DB Forever.  Says Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin’s power and physique, evolving a powerful body, though it’s not clear how this changed his personality. From DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, an anime guidebook.  Says Gohan-absorbed Boo is so powerful that on his own Goku is no match even as a Super Saiyan 3. From DBZ Son Goku Densetsu.  Says Boo became calmer and easier to control after absorbing Dai-Kaioshin. He loves to eat and has childlike innocence, but becomes unstoppable when angry. From DBZ Son Goku Densetsu.  Says Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 2. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.  Refers to Super Saiyan 3 as “the Super Saiyan that can appropriately be called strongest”. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.  Says that Gohan-absorbed Boo’s strength is such that he can appropriately be called “the mightiest majin”. He’s powered up even more than he was with Gotenks, without any time limit before he powers down, and combines Gotenks’ techniques, Piccolo’s brains, and Gohan’s power. From the website of one of the 3D fighting games (the Sparking!/Budokai Tenkaichi series, I think).  Refers to Gohan as having “fantastic power surpassing even Super Saiyan 3” following the Elder Kaioshin’s power-up. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02, an anime guidebook.  The last portion of Toriyama’s interview in Daizenshuu 2, a manga guidebook. I have no clue what part of this was considered relevant to the Boo strength debate. Gohan as an unsuitable main character? It being unfair for everyone to team up against Boo? Fortunately I already translated the whole thing for Kanzentai: - Quote:
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Q: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role? A: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn't work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
Q: Incidentally, who is your favorite character? A: Yeah, I guess I like Piccolo the most after all. Out of all the enemies, Piccolo Daimao is the one I like most, and even after that I like Piccolo the most. I like Piccolo about the same as I like Goku. With Vegeta, well, I don't like him all that much, but he was extremely helpful to have around. For the recent stuff, it was fun drawing Satan. When I first brought him out, I didn't think that I would end up making Satan that important of a character. I thought he'd just be a one-shot character.
Satan is like that, but thinking up worthless gags is more enjoyable than doing the fight scenes. (laughs)
Q: That all really took off with Gotenks. There are legends that at the time your editor Takeda-san saw the storyboards in the editing department, and would crack up at it every week. (laughs) A: I suppose I am a gag-manga artist after all. (laughs)
But then after all, I'm always thinking of how there are a lot of guys on our side, but only one enemy. If you think about it, isn't it unfair? (laughs) They can just gang up on him. (laughs)
Q: So it's like Goku's line at the end of the battle with Majin Buu. A: That's right. He said "You did well all on your own". I suppose that Goku's motive was that no matter what kind of enemy there was, he wanted to fight them one-on-one.
Looking over the entire work, Goku always wished for that. Today has been a very valuable conversation, so thank you very much. (May 23, 1995 at the Rougairou Chinese Restaurant)
 Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02. - Cocoman: "That is later confirmed to be from the Dragonbook which came with the Dragonboxes- Spoiler: click to toggle - "Herms"
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And the second image, I was very lucky now of finding the full page. But I have no idea what publication this page is from. 
Hmmm...that actually looks like it's from the Dragon Book that goes along with the second Japanese Dragon Box. Hujio would know for sure though. The image also quotes Goku's anime-only line about the pure Boo being on a different level than all the others.
[/b] So obviously they'll use the quotein the anime saying Pure Boo>Gohan-Boo[/b]
I also suggest you read Kaboom's post here where he explains a couple of the shaky quotes quite well;
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Let's see if I can make these work together at all. - "Herms"
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Describes the pure Boo as “powered up” (in comparison to what form isn’t specified). From DB Forever, a manga guidebook.
Boo was weaker at first in his initial form, enough so that Goku and Vegeta thought he'd be no problem. But a little later, he revealed power that Goku could barely match with Super Saiyan 3. So Pure Boo did "power up," but within his own realm of power, not necessarily compared to any other form. - Quote:
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Says Goku has “The highest respect towards the strongest enemy!” From DB Forever.
Majin Boo, in general, is the "strongest enemy" in the series, as opposed to Freeza or Cell or anyone else. It's an appropriate comment to make as Boo is about to finally be eradicated. - Quote:
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Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.
That does seem to be the case. Before: "There's no way we can beat him unless we Fuse!" After: "Yeah, we can handle him now!" -> "You can take him out with Super Saiyan 3, Kakarrot!" - Quote:
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Says Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin’s power and physique, evolving a powerful body, though it’s not clear how this changed his personality. From DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, an anime guidebook.
At the very least, this is official word that absorbing the South Kaioshin added power to Boo, rather than subtracting it like the Grand Kaioshin did. - Quote:
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Says Gohan-absorbed Boo is so powerful that on his own Goku is no match even as a Super Saiyan 3. From DBZ Son Goku Densetsu.
Obvious enough. - Quote:
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Says Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 2. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.
This probably is best taken just about Gohan himself, given that Super Saiyan 2 was the upper limit of his power before. "He's way stronger now than he was as a Super Saiyan 2 before." - Quote:
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Refers to Super Saiyan 3 as “the Super Saiyan that can appropriately be called strongest”. From the third TV Animation daizenshuu.
Better worded as, "it's the strongest Super Saiyan form?" - Quote:
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Refers to Gohan as having “fantastic power surpassing even Super Saiyan 3” following the Elder Kaioshin’s power-up. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02, an anime guidebook.
Could easily mean either that Gohan's 'Ultimate' power-up granted him more power than he would have as a Super Saiyan 3 (obvious), or that he's now stronger than either of the two Super Saiyan 3 characters, Goku and Gotenks (also obvious). - Quote:
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Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02.
If this one quote is just repeating the blatantly Goku-*****ing line from the anime about Pure Boo being the strongest of all the Boos, then it's the only real contradictory one. All in all, the rest does fit together with some... creativity.
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Feb 29 2012, 08:11 PM
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And see, the point I was trying to make was that in the Anime it shows two different sets of evidence for two different things. 1. Chibi Boo is one of the weaker Boo, and 2. That Chibi Boo is the strongest Boo.
However, the point I was making is that there is Far, Far more evidence going with #1, then there is going with #2. and the fact that Evidence #1 is what drives nearly 90% of the Boo plot. So to follow evidence #2, you have to dismiss about 90% of the Boo plot, and All the evidence saying Ultimate Boo>Bootenks>Super Boo>Chibi Boo.
But doing that shows great bias and is completely ignoring stated facts.
That's the point I was making.
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Feb 29 2012, 08:21 PM
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It's logical to say Goku had surpass Gohan at the end of Z since Gohan stopped fighting again, and Goku kept going. But how strong can Goku get by just doing normal training? He didn't do no gravity training anymore, probably did nothing to challenge him.
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Feb 29 2012, 08:25 PM
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But do we even know since Gohan's Ki was rewritten that he still does get weaker, or does his Ultimate Power just stay where it is, and just his Potential just builds up over time?
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Feb 29 2012, 08:29 PM
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Well all it did was unlock his ultimate potential, if he doesn't train it is possible he'll be a bit weaker.
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Feb 29 2012, 08:32 PM
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Well it did rewrite Gohan's Ki, which is why Gohan could access all his power while in Base and didn't need any SS form at all, here's something else to think about too...
Could Gohan's Ultimate just simply slow it down, hence why it's more efficient than SS?
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Feb 29 2012, 08:46 PM
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True, maybe he can't get weaker.
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Feb 29 2012, 09:56 PM
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HEY, FNF!! It no say that Fat Boo was weakened from Daikaioshin... so that means .
Fat Boo = Kid Boo or Buff Boo .
on a serious note, that mega post should settle a few things (or so you'd think).
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Feb 29 2012, 10:24 PM
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on a serious note, that mega post should settle a few things (or so you'd think). You'd think so wouldn't you
I think people must know somethings wrong when they say Pure Boo>Evil Boo etc when there are so many sources proving them wrong :P
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Feb 29 2012, 11:07 PM
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Mystic Gohan, the whole point of his training with Elder Kai.
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Mar 1 2012, 04:43 AM
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chichi is the Strongest bitchs. She controls everyone. ha ha!
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