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Decreasing SS Multiplier...
Topic Started: Feb 26 2012, 08:07 PM (2,020 Views)
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I know something like this has been made before, but I am too lazy to look for it, and nor would I. Because that Thread nearly turned into a flame war and don't want that crap going on again, nor do I think it should be focused on, so here we go...

Who believes in it, and if you do what are your decreasing SS Multipliers (MSS Through SS3), the reason why I'm not bringing in SS4, is because I honestly don't believe it was relevant long enough for it to receive a decreasing Multiplier. If you do that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion I will not bash nor make fun of it, that's just me.

Also, how do you think the Decreasing SS Multipliers work?

And please, don't come in here bashing it saying crap like I don't believe it because it sucks or stupid...please keep it civil.

So, let's have it...
Edited by Saberoph, Feb 26 2012, 08:22 PM.
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I have the initial SSj transformation at x50, and then that acts as a kind of potential unlock which permanently boosts your base up so all subsequent transformations are x10, which I keep to the end of the series.
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i would like to add to Teen gohans comment by saying that as the power up in its original form is passed up in terms of its own initial power up, then the 50 x multiplier would become obsolete. it would no longer matter, if your from base multiplier ends up higher than your stacked SSJ multiplier.

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In Dragonball Z Sagas, Goku sparred with Soba whose power level is 14,000,000. Goku, however, still managed to deafet Soba in his base form, which leads me to conclude that his power level is 15,000,000 in yardrat and in the trunks saga. This means that after you turn ssj, your base power level multiplies by 5. Goku went from 3,000,000 - 15,000,000. ;)
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The way I see it is that Ssj is not a fixed multiplier like Kaio-Ken. To me, Ssj is more of bringing out hidden potential, which happens to be about 10-50x, depending on the level of training the saiyan has gone through. It's the difference between forcing unnatural energy through the body(Kaio-Ken), and natural energy flowing freely from the body(Ssj). Ssj is a natural ability, and thus the power it brings can be manipulated more than a technique can. Natural abilities are always better than techniques.
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I think everyone has the SS Multiplier starting out at X50. lol But I get your point.

I have Four different lowering Multipliers now, the reason why I have this is to show certain Characters progression.

Like here...

Vegeta and Mariai Trunks during the Cell Games have a x35, showing they followed Goku's lead on the MSS Training, but they haven't quite mastered SS like Goku and Gohan have.

Goku and Gohan during the Cell Games have a x15 Multiplier, showing they have Mastered SS to be very efficient.

Then for Goku and Vegeta during the Boo have a x5, showing their Base has greatly increased, and they've completely mastered SS as far as they can imo.

Now Gohan, Goten and Trunks is a different story...for me they have a x15 due to their lack of training, and Gohan not Training for 7 years.

However, by the time Chibi boo was killed, I have all the Saiyans with a x5, since Gohan, Goten and Trunks got some serious Training in during the time between Vegeta dies and Gotenks fights Super Boo.

I also believe SS2 and 3 have a decreasing Multiplier too, because I believe as the user unlocks SS forms, it's also unlocking the users Potential power, a little bit at a time.

Now I know everyone has their opinion about the SS power, and it's Multiplier, and we're all entitled to out opinions.
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I fail to see how The Super Saiyan transformation magically increases your base power. I fail to also see how mastering the Ssj transformation rewards you with an inferior multiplier. I've always believed it to be 50x, and I think I always will.
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The reason why I believe that is because the SS helps unlock the users Potential, and all through the series it's shown and proven a users Potential power isn't just for the SS forms, so it makes sense for some of that power to pour into the users Base. Which imo allows the MSS Training to make even more sense than it did, and it made so much sense as it is. Well, to me that makes sense.
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I agree with you there Saberoph!
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Anybody that says "Ssj becomes inferior with a lower multiplier" is not seeing it the right way. The theory is that it unlocks potential power to be used in the base form, and whatever can't be used in the base form is kept to the transformation.

Two instances support this theory:

1. Freeza Saga. Base Goku was getting thrashed by 50% Freeza, and upon turning Super Saiyan, Goku thrashed 100% Freeza. The gap is huge.

2. Buu Saga. Base Goku was confident in his ability to defeat Yakon, who was 800 kili. When Goku turns Super Saiyan, his kili reading is 3,000. Vegeta does note that Goku has energy to spare after defeating Yakon, but keep in mind that Goku needed Ssj2 to finally make Yakon explode, so the gap is small.
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I also agree with that.
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I look at it this way...if Goku had randomly tried using the Kaioken, his body would have been ripped apart imo. By the Boo arc Goku hadn't Cannonly used the Kaioken for 11 years, your body or ki isn't going to remember something from 11 years ago if you haven't used it since then.

Yes I realize Goku used a Super Kaioken in his fight with Pikkon, logically Goku's body should have been ripped apart.

That's why I believe it's also ok to lower the SS Multipliers, because at that point Kaioken is no longer relevant in any way at all.
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I'm damn serious

It simply just decrease when the natural body(or base form) gets stronger.



Chou Gohan is the only and undoubtfully the best example of the SSJ,SSJ2 and SSJ3 multiplier being only 1x the users strength(meaning he can transform into them,but without gaining any power,but he'll strain his body unlike base form).
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Feb 27 2012, 11:15 AM
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The way I see it is that Ssj is not a fixed multiplier like Kaio-Ken. To me, Ssj is more of bringing out hidden potential, which happens to be about 10-50x, depending on the level of training the saiyan has gone through. It's the difference between forcing unnatural energy through the body(Kaio-Ken), and natural energy flowing freely from the body(Ssj). Ssj is a natural ability, and thus the power it brings can be manipulated more than a technique can. Natural abilities are always better than techniques.
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On topic, the multiplier is 50x and nothing goes against it except fans interpreting things the wrong way. The series works the best with a 50x multiplier.
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And, buu arc doesn't follow 50x multiplier.

It follows it just fine last time I checked.
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