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| Can we safely take "Rildo > Boo" with a grain of salt? | |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 06:39 PM Post #16 |
 
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But once again, if you go by that you have to ignore the GT Perfect Files and ignore all the power scaling and stated facts in GT. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 26 2012, 06:56 PM Post #17 |
 
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I assume he means Kid Buu since Kid Buu is the strongest in the anime, which GT is. |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 07:06 PM Post #18 |
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But also in the same Anime Super Boo is made to look stronger than SS3 Goku, where Chibi Boo is made to look equal to SS3 Goku, the same with Gotenks Boo and Ultimate Boo being stronger than SS3 Goku. So to say he means Chibi Boo, you would have to ignore all of that.
Edited by Saberoph, Feb 26 2012, 07:33 PM.
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| Lestat | Feb 26 2012, 07:29 PM Post #19 |
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I don't see why its so bad to ignore statements in GT. Im not saying I agree with USSJ Future Trunks, but taking a show were Goku needs Ssj4 to lift a building, and Super Ozaru Bebi Vegeta can't destroy the world after 2 Galick guns seriously is not something something some people will do. I don't blame him either. |
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| Master of Dragon Ball | Feb 26 2012, 07:37 PM Post #20 |
 
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You're using the feats as you see fit. If you were to really take them at face value, then GT characters wouldn't be any more powerful than most DB characters, yet I doubt you'd argue that. |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 07:37 PM Post #21 |
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Because those are feats...not power scaling. And as for ignoring statements, if it's stated multiple times, it comes close to being a form of bias, or if it's not it's mistaken to be, due to the fact it's presented several times. Also, since GT isn't cannon so the Perfect Files are as much cannon as GT. It's not like comparing the Manga to the Diaz, where AT had a hand in it and it has comments and statements about non-cannon characters, where all of GT isn't cannon. Just thought I would throw that out there too. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 26 2012, 07:44 PM Post #22 |
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The anime is really confusing with the Buu saga in general. But the last word we ever get about it (3 times) is that Kid Buu is the strongest. You would have to argue agaisnt even the narrator. |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 07:47 PM Post #23 |
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And you would have to argue against AT having Goku say MSS Gotenks>SS3 Goku. And since this is GT you would have to argue against the people who made the Diaz also not going by the Anime. And you would have to argue with the Anime showing Super Boo, Gotenks and Ultimate Boo being stronger than SS3 Goku. So, that's 5 against 3. I'm comfortable with 5 rather than 3. |
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Feb 26 2012, 07:51 PM Post #24 |
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Feats often make no sense in the original series too (Muten Roshi's busting the Moon while far stronger characters can't even bust a city) yet nobody uses that as an excuse to ignore statements in DB/Z. |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 07:54 PM Post #25 |
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My point is, it was stated and shown multiple times with multiple Boo's that SS3 Goku was now nothing by the time Chibi Boo came around. Even Goku said inside Super Boo that him and Vegeta were no match for him in any way. So, which can be taken more seriously, the Many statements that were built up and supported by most of the story-line and physically shown and backed up, or three little statements. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 26 2012, 09:28 PM Post #26 |
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Look, all I'm saying is that in the Anime Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, that was the last thing ever statement and thus has priority over the others. It's kind of like how people take Goku's line about him beating Fat Buu instead of his line about not being able to beat Fat Buu because it was the last stated fact. Plus the fact SSj Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan automatically puts him above Super Buu at least, add in SSj2 and SSj3 and it'd be quite hard for him not to be stronger than Buuhan, which would mean Goku has been holding back the entire saga for some reason or another. Whether or not GT follows this logic that Kid Buu is the strongest I don't know, I really don't know enough about GT at all. |
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Feb 26 2012, 09:41 PM Post #27 |
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GT can't follow Anime logic considering General Rild is stated to be even stronger than Boo and manages to fight evenly with Base Goku (M2,) while even piddling Base Goku (End of Z) is implied to be on par with Pure Boo. I really doubt Toei even remembered their silly hax when they were making GT, any more than they remembered their Base Goku > Weighted Paikuhan > SPC hax when they made the Boo arc Anime. If they put such little thought into it that they didn't even bother to take out any of the numerous manga implications of Son Goku being far below Gotenks and Gohan, what are the odds that they'd still remember about it when they made GT? |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 09:58 PM Post #28 |
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But once again, the Anime Contradicts it's self all the time, so how can you take 3 statements over multiple statements and the fact earlier statements are backed up by more then comments. As or the Goku comment, there are two pieces of evidence that shows SS3 Goku>Fat Boo, Goku was only stalling Fat Boo for Trunks to get the Dragon Ball Radar, and SS3 Goku seemed equal to Fat boo where Goku's actions proved he was only there for a distraction and not to kill him. Going by that you can tell where SS3 Goku is to Fat Boo. That's why you really can't always take the final statement when there's so much earlier evidence not only stating but also backing up the earlier statements. Talking about throwaway lines, those statements take the cake when it comes to them. It would be like Vegetto saying he could destroy Ultimate Boo and then showing us this, then later Goku saying even though Vegetto was doing so well, in the end Vegetto wouldn't have had a chance at winning, then both Kaioshins admitting this. Do we take those final statements without anything else backing them up, or so we take earlier statements and the physical evidence backing it up...you get my point? It's the same thing here. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 26 2012, 10:18 PM Post #29 |
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The only problem with the physical evidence is that SSj Goku as shown to be stronger than Mystic Gohan. So unless the Anime has a really big gap between Buutenks and Buuhan then it wouldn't make sense for SSj3 Goku to be weaker than either of them. And yes I don't really like debating the Buu saga, even in anime only debates. Goku's strength is just so hard to figure out. |
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| Saberoph | Feb 26 2012, 10:31 PM Post #30 |
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I really don't because there are more statements and physical statements showing Goku is weaker than any Boo above Chibi Boo heck, even Post Zeta Sword SS2 Gohan was implied to be close to SS3 Goku's power....yet later on it was proven that SS2 Gohan was useless and Ultimate Gohan was useful. So, the Anime shoots it's self in the foot all the way around, because Pre ROSAT MSS Gotenks was implied to be around or equal to SS3 Goku, then Post ROSAT Gotenks is implied and backed up that he leaves SS3 Goku in the dust, then the exact same with Ultimate Gohan, then again with MSS Vegetto. You have all that physical evidence showing MSS Vegetto>Ultimate Boo>Ultimate Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>=Super Boo>SS3 Goku=Chibi Boo>Fat Boo. Then you have only two scenes plus three statements showing this SS3 Goku=Chibi Boo>MSS Vegetto>Ultimate Boo>Ultimate Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>=Super Boo>Fat Boo. I'll take the multiple statements and physical evidence any day over three comments and two scenes...especially since most of the plot was based on all of that physical evidence and statements. I do get your point, Toei really messed things up in the Boo arc, and especially for those who only watched the Anime and never read the Manga. |
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