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Something about Gogeta..
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Jamason	Feb 25 2012, 11:06 PM Post #1
SSj3 Goten Posts: 300 Group: Member Member #7,017 Joined: November 26, 2011	Does anyone think that ssj4 Gogeta was overkill for Omega Shenron? Think about it.. BASE Vegitto was overkill for Buuhan who was worlds above ssj3 Goku. Omega Shenron was worlds above ssj4 Goku. I think Gogeta couldve taken him in like ssj2, or 3. But 4? That seemed like total overkill for me.



~~CatouttaHell~~	Feb 25 2012, 11:11 PM Post #2
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vegetto is worlds and worlds above Gogeta though. Gohan-Boo himself stated that Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against him even if he fused, and in the Anime Son Goku mentioned he wasn't sure if they'd be able to beat Boo using fusion, despite knowing that Potara is > Metamorian. Considering the fact that the gap between Super Yi Xing Long and Gogeta's two components was so massive that Yi Xing Long with his strongest absorption missing didn't even BUDGE from an off-guard headbutt from SSjin 4 Goku, it's not a stretch for Gogeta to need SSjin 4 to at least dominate Super Yi Xing Long.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Feb 25 2012, 11:52 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Furthermore, Potara Fusion has been stated and implied several times to be much much much stronger than Metamoran Fusion. Referring the the Boo saga: Why Potara Earrings>>>Fusion Dance Base Goten</=Base Trunks</=Base Gohan SSJ2 Goten</=SSJ2 Trunks</=SSJ2 Gohan SSJ2 Goten</=SSJ2 Trunks</=SSJ2 Gohan<<SSJ2 Majin Vegeta<<<Fat Boo<<<SSJ3 Gotenks</=Super Boo (Hypothetical): SSJ3 Goten</=SSJ3 Trunks</=Fat Boo</=SSJ3 Gohan</=SSJ3 Gotenks</=Super Boo The Fusion Dance, assuming they go SSJ3, and train in the ROSAT, would put them above Fat Boo and SSJ3 Gohan, but slightly below Super Boo, which is somewhat reasonable. Base Vegeta</=Base Goku<SSJ Vegeta</=SSJ Goku<<SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)</=Fat Boo</=SSJ3 Goku<<<Super Boo<Ultimate Gohan<<Bootenks<<<Boohan<<Base Vegito Holy crap is that a massive multiplier. Base Vegeta and Goku go from being much much much much weaker than Fat Boo to being stronger than Boohan in Base form. TL;DR: Potara Earrings have a much larger multiplier than the Fusion Dance, which is why the seemingly confusing fallacy in DBGT appears. Even more so, Base Vegito stomping Boohan is filler. In the manga, he goes straight to SSJ when he fuses.



Master of Dragon Ball	Feb 26 2012, 12:38 AM Post #4
Posts: 578 Group: Duplicate Member #6,330 Joined: June 8, 2011 Favourite Anime Ask What Browser do you use? Ask Favourite Manga Obvious	SSjin 4 Gogeta, from what I recall, mind you, either held back too much or underestimated Super Yi Xing Long's regenerative capabilities, as he wasn't able to finish him off with his Big Bang Kamehameha the first time, and seemed a bit upset over the incident.



Ussj Future Trunks	Feb 26 2012, 02:47 AM Post #5
God of Shinobi Posts: 2,540 Group: Member Member #5,050 Joined: July 20, 2010 Favourite Anime One Piece Favourite Manga Naruto	"SE Vegitto was overkill for Buuhan who was worlds above ssj3 Goku" if your referring to the anime, ssj3 goku > buuhan. "Holy crap is that a massive multiplier. Base Vegeta and Goku go from being much much much much weaker than Fat Boo to being stronger than Boohan in Base form." yeah and? base gogeta > buuhan. "Furthermore, Potara Fusion has been stated and implied several times to be much much much stronger than Metamoran Fusion" no they havent, not once. ever. "Vegetto is worlds and worlds above Gogeta though." wrong. they are equals "Gohan-Boo himself stated that Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against him even if he fused" buuhans a cocky fool who relied on his eyes to fight vegetto rather than feeling out his ki levels. vegetto was berating him for this and wondering why he was beating buuhan so easily, rather than wondering why he himself was so strong. that menas buuhans wekaer than goku and vegeta thought, not that vegetto is so far above gogeta. "Anime Son Goku mentioned he wasn't sure if they'd be able to beat Boo using fusion," i dont recall that in japanese version.
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* Lord Cooler	Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Post #6
Lord of the Ice-Jins Posts: 3,212 Group: Retired Staff Member #4,582 Joined: November 17, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Bleach and Guyver What Browser do you use? Google chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Lets not forget this topic when debating the Gogeta vs Vegito thing. http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/27068/1/ I don't know how many times it has to be said that the only real advantage that the Potara has over the fusion dance is that it doesn't have a time limit. Edited by Lord Cooler, Feb 26 2012, 05:05 AM.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Ussj Future Trunks Feb 26 2012, 02:47 AM "SE Vegitto was overkill for Buuhan who was worlds above ssj3 Goku" if your referring to the anime, ssj3 goku > buuhan. Neither the anime nor manga ever implies SSJ3 Goku>Boohan. SSJ3 Goku<SSJ3 Gotenks</=Super Boo<Ultimate Gohan<Bootenks<Boohan Quote: "Holy crap is that a massive multiplier. Base Vegeta and Goku go from being much much much much weaker than Fat Boo to being stronger than Boohan in Base form." yeah and? base gogeta > buuhan. In the case of the Fusion Dance, Goten and Trunks only got a boost that was from being slightly on par with or weaker than Fat Boo to being about equal to or weaker than Super Boo, assuming they train in the ROSAT In the case of Potara Earrings, Vegeta and Goku did not have to do any training in the ROSAT, and they were much much weaker than Fat Boo, and went to being much stronger than Boohan. No way would fusion dance make them this strong, if you look at Gotenks. Quote: "Furthermore, Potara Fusion has been stated and implied several times to be much much much stronger than Metamoran Fusion" no they havent, not once. ever. The fact that Base Vegito>>>>SSJ3 Gotenks (post ROSAT) implies this greatly. Quote: "Vegetto is worlds and worlds above Gogeta though."wrong. they are equals I just explained why Potara Earrings>>Fusion Dance, so no, they aren't equals. Quote: "Gohan-Boo himself stated that Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against him even if he fused" buuhans a cocky fool who relied on his eyes to fight vegetto rather than feeling out his ki levels. vegetto was berating him for this and wondering why he was beating buuhan so easily, rather than wondering why he himself was so strong. that menas buuhans wekaer than goku and vegeta thought, not that vegetto is so far above gogeta. Gohan-Boo has the knowledge of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo, he wasn't stupid, especially, especially considering he has Piccolo's tactical knowledge. Furthermore, Bootenks said that Gohan fused w/ Goku wouldn't be able to beat him. He had Gotenks absorbed, so he obviously had knowledge of the fusion dance, and should have known how strong the fusion would be, and he even saw Goten and Trunks fuse. Note: he only had knowledge of the fusion dance, not the Potara earrings, so he thought it would be the same power as a fusion dance. So, apparently: Goku/Gohan (Fusion Dance)<Bootenks Ultimate Gohan>>>>Vegeta Bootenks<Boohan Goku/Gohan (Fusion Dance)<Bootenks<<Boohan<<Vegito If Fusion Dance and Potara Earrings really are equal as you believe, then how is Vegeta+Goku (fused) stronger than Goku+Gohan (fused), when Gohan is stronger than Vegeta? Quote: "Anime Son Goku mentioned he wasn't sure if they'd be able to beat Boo using fusion," i dont recall that in japanese version. ~~Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance~~ nvm, see catouttahell's post Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Feb 26 2012, 05:30 AM.



~~CatouttaHell~~	Feb 26 2012, 05:03 AM Post #8
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	CatouttaHell Feb 26 2012, 05:03 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance Well, my words have been eaten. I apologize, Catouttahell.



* Lord Cooler	Feb 26 2012, 05:31 AM Post #10
Lord of the Ice-Jins Posts: 3,212 Group: Retired Staff Member #4,582 Joined: November 17, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Bleach and Guyver What Browser do you use? Google chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM CatouttaHell Feb 26 2012, 05:03 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance Well, my words have been eaten. I apologize, Catouttahell. And what type of fusion are they referring to in that scene?
	Thanks to + Rebel X for the awesome sig above. Thanks to Anonymous23 (Ana) for the awesome sig above. Don't forget to participate in the Dragon Ball Rewatch! Lord Cooler - I am the supreme master of this universe. I am the great destroyer, the taker of life. I kill when I want, the weak die and the strong survive. Saiyan insect, prepare to be squashed.


Kblo247	Feb 26 2012, 05:38 AM Post #11
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Not really. Goku and Vegeta had to be ssj4 to fuse. Base-ssj2 Goku wasn't big enough to be a physical match for the dance to work. Vegeta didn't have ssj3, and the size difference is still there. SSJ4 was the best option as their powers aligned, their bodies were reasonably aligned, and so on. The only way they would not have had to been ssj4 Gogeta is for the Kai's to conjure more earrings so they could merge in their bases and then power up from there, while having a rival boost



Kblo247	Feb 26 2012, 05:39 AM Post #12
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Lord Cooler Feb 26 2012, 05:31 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM CatouttaHell Feb 26 2012, 05:03 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance Well, my words have been eaten. I apologize, Catouttahell. And what type of fusion are they referring to in that scene? Potara. It is before Vegeta places it in his ear. Goku had not told him the fusion was permanent then either



* Lord Cooler	Feb 26 2012, 05:45 AM Post #13
Lord of the Ice-Jins Posts: 3,212 Group: Retired Staff Member #4,582 Joined: November 17, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Bleach and Guyver What Browser do you use? Google chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Kblo247 Feb 26 2012, 05:39 AM Lord Cooler Feb 26 2012, 05:31 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 05:25 AM CatouttaHell Feb 26 2012, 05:03 AM Flying Nimbus Feb 26 2012, 04:55 AM Surprisingly, something I agree with, I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the japanese version. Otherwise, yeah, Potara>>Dance Well, my words have been eaten. I apologize, Catouttahell. And what type of fusion are they referring to in that scene? Potara. It is before Vegeta places it in his ear. Goku had not told him the fusion was permanent then either I don't get what it is actually meant to prove.
	Thanks to + Rebel X for the awesome sig above. Thanks to Anonymous23 (Ana) for the awesome sig above. Don't forget to participate in the Dragon Ball Rewatch! Lord Cooler - I am the supreme master of this universe. I am the great destroyer, the taker of life. I kill when I want, the weak die and the strong survive. Saiyan insect, prepare to be squashed.


Mysterious9001	Feb 26 2012, 06:01 AM Post #14
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	That Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Vegetto (Expectations) which Gogeta is equal to at most which even then is false as Old Kai implies Potara w/o rival boost > Metamorian at equal levels. Edited by Mysterious9001, Feb 26 2012, 06:03 AM.



FollowtheLeader	Feb 26 2012, 06:03 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	Flying Nimbus Feb 25 2012, 11:52 PM Furthermore, Potara Fusion has been stated and implied several times to be much much much stronger than Metamoran Fusion. Referring the the Boo saga: Why Potara Earrings>>>Fusion Dance Base Goten</=Base Trunks</=Base Gohan SSJ2 Goten</=SSJ2 Trunks</=SSJ2 Gohan SSJ2 Goten</=SSJ2 Trunks</=SSJ2 Gohan<<SSJ2 Majin Vegeta<<<Fat Boo<<<SSJ3 Gotenks</=Super Boo (Hypothetical): SSJ3 Goten</=SSJ3 Trunks</=Fat Boo</=SSJ3 Gohan</=SSJ3 Gotenks</=Super Boo The Fusion Dance, assuming they go SSJ3, and train in the ROSAT, would put them above Fat Boo and SSJ3 Gohan, but slightly below Super Boo, which is somewhat reasonable. Base Vegeta</=Base Goku<SSJ Vegeta</=SSJ Goku<<SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)</=Fat Boo</=SSJ3 Goku<<<Super Boo<Ultimate Gohan<<Bootenks<<<Boohan<<Base Vegito Holy crap is that a massive multiplier. Base Vegeta and Goku go from being much much much much weaker than Fat Boo to being stronger than Boohan in Base form. TL;DR: Potara Earrings have a much larger multiplier than the Fusion Dance, which is why the seemingly confusing fallacy in DBGT appears. Even more so, Base Vegito stomping Boohan is filler. In the manga, he goes straight to SSJ when he fuses. DBZF's funniest trolls: 4.) FollowTheLeader:A GT hater. In any Z Character vs. GT character, he goes with the Z Character, only because he hates GT. Also argues about GT biasedly. Really? Really, dude? Edited by FollowtheLeader, Feb 26 2012, 06:06 AM.



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