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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 1 2012, 04:41 AM (1,928 Views) | |
| Ussj Future Trunks | Feb 1 2012, 04:41 AM Post #1 |
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fanslation. the herms translation i go by has goku say "im disappointed. even gohan alone can beat you now". so this suggests 1. goku thinks he'd be able to at least aid gohan in a fight. 2. he's all disappointed that buu is way weaker now and expresses that "even" gohan cna beat him, implying gohan is inferior to him. two things you missed when discussing that quote. goku later thinks he can blow a hole in buu at the very least http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-4/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html, but fails in that too . buu explains they are smaller than fleas and the equivalent of specks of dust compared to him now. goku is surprised but says "oh so we have to defeat you THEN escape". http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-6/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html goku expresses suprise and relief that he returns to his normal size http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-12/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html and despite everything, is still ready to fight, rather than sweating bullets. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-13/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html they know hes getting stronger, not weaker yet dont take the opportunity to GTFO. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3158-1/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html instead goku has a cocky smirk. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3158-2/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html kaioshin realises what the saiyans dont, and thats that they cant defeat this new buu whos stronger than the last. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3158-3/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html vegeta expresses that the only reason he thinks they can win is because buus smaller now. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3158-4/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html here we discover super buu < kid buu since super buu still had the kais inside, weakening him. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3158-8/dragon-ball/chapter-509.html they become so outmatched they cant deflect buu's attack. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3159-11/dragon-ball/chapter-510.html goku states hes going all out, even though he may not even do anything to buu. stated here: http://www.mangareader.net/105-3159-10/dragon-ball/chapter-510.html http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-13/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html here goku states hes been at full power this whole time but unable to finish the job. so vegeta suggests building up more, as they usually do when charging kamehamehas. we know saiyans can temporalily raise their power levels when charging ki into a focal point because of the raditz fight. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3161-10/dragon-ball/chapter-512.html goku realises he cant hold in any more ki inside himself, and that its not enough to kill buu with. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3162-1/dragon-ball/chapter-513.html then his power starts leaving him. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3164-7/dragon-ball/chapter-515.html goku thinks its necessary to have gohan and gotenks combined come and help them fight. not win, fight. clearly goku doesnt think gohan alone can just toy around and curbstomp like he thought gohan could do to buucolo. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3164-8/dragon-ball/chapter-515.html goku doesnt even think the genkidama from everyone on earth will work until they give as much as they can. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3164-12/dragon-ball/chapter-515.html http://www.mangareader.net/105-3165-1/dragon-ball/chapter-516.html but apparently the combined power of ultimate gohan, piccolo and the base form kids cant beat kid buu. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3165-9/dragon-ball/chapter-516.html goku gets desperate, knowing even if he used the third wish to restore his power to fpssj3, it wont matter. buu is far too strong for even gohan,goku and the kids combined. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3166-8/dragon-ball/chapter-517.html apparently buu can reflect the power of 6 billion earthlings, 18, 17, gohan, goten, trunks, piccolo, yamcha, krillin, 2000 namekians, however billions of people there are in the afterlife, and kibitoshin. holy *****. and apparently kakarot being stronger would make a difference. and if your thinking gohan and the others could just come and help him then, and did not give their full power, look at this. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3166-9/dragon-ball/chapter-517.html http://www.mangareader.net/105-3166-10/dragon-ball/chapter-517.html in the end they needed the dragonballs themselves to save them. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3166-11/dragon-ball/chapter-517.html goku's final wish, to have a rematch with a full power buu 1 vs 1. which he later does have. in base form. holy *****. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3167-4/dragon-ball/chapter-518.html vegeta fears there'd be nothing they could do if another kid buu arose, and says the earth will really be destroyed. despite the fact gohan is standing on earth just fine. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3167-5/dragon-ball/chapter-518.html goku says without mr satan and good buu, everyone would be dead right now. EVERYONE. and he says he will train so he wont lose again. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3168-7/dragon-ball/chapter-519.html goku says someone besides the z fighters and buu might win. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3169-12/dragon-ball/chapter-520.html goku isnt disappointed with uubs power, and thinks he was as strong as he was expecting. meaning the above quotes more than true. uub > mr buu. |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | |
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Feb 1 2012, 04:45 AM Post #2 |
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Manga Logic - Kid Buu = SSJ3 Goku except he has infinite stamina. Anime Logic - Kid Buu is the strongest. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Feb 1 2012, 04:45 AM Post #3 |
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The way I see that line is that he saying Gohan could win without fusion, which was the reason Goku went back in the first place. So, saying he can even win alone is saying he can win by himself without fusing with Goku. That's how I interpret it in context anyway. |
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| Mysterious9001 | Feb 1 2012, 05:01 AM Post #4 |
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Evil Boo < Piccolo-Boo as Piccolo and the Base Kids don't add too much power and SSJ3 Goku is scared to fight Evil Boo, so it's obvious Ultimate Gohan is superior. |
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Feb 1 2012, 05:18 AM Post #5 |
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Goku saw great fighting potential in Kid Buu. Enough potential to want to wait 10 years to see him again. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Feb 1 2012, 05:19 PM Post #6 |
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two things you missed when discussing that quote. goku later thinks he can blow a hole in buu at the very least http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-4/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html, but fails in that too . buu explains they are smaller than fleas and the equivalent of specks of dust compared to him now. goku is surprised but says "oh so we have to defeat you THEN escape". http://www.mangareader.net/105-3157-6/dragon-ball/chapter-508.html ^Thank you,OP, at least someone else realizes this important part. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 1 2012, 05:28 PM Post #7 |
 
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In the Viz Goku just asks "Really? So we have to beat you first?" He doesn't specifically say he can defeat Super Buu (Super Buu goes on to say he can't in the very next panel, both in Viz and that fanslation) Edit: Here's the line in the Japanese version: Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.” Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…” There's also this: Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!” There you go, 100% undeniable proof that Super Buu > Goku Edited by Clearin, Feb 1 2012, 05:39 PM.
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Feb 2 2012, 02:14 AM Post #8 |
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Edited by Rafman307, Feb 2 2012, 02:15 AM.
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Feb 2 2012, 02:16 AM Post #9 |
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well this isnt exactly about goku but proving that goku and vegeta agree gohan is basically useless in a battle with kid buu. and goku was never equal to him. he was being toyed with. goku even knows he probably cant do much of anything to buu but will try anyway. so goku seemingly giving up on trying to beat super buu even though they have no choice (as vegeta points out), its distinctly out of character and doesnt make sense. because the next thing goku says is to use fusion dance. why on earth will they be "definitely done in" if they have fusion up their sleeves? 
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | |
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Seconded, but I'd change it so that: Manga Logic- Kid Buu<Super Buu Anime Logic- Kid Buu>Super Buu I'd prefer to go with the manga logic of Super Buu being stronger. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Feb 2 2012, 08:39 AM Post #11 |
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even by manga logic, kid buu blows super buu out of the water considering what it took to beat him (not only gohans power but almost literally everyone elses plus the dragonballs). |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | |
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| + Pyrus | Feb 2 2012, 08:59 AM Post #12 |
 
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Haha. Nice try, Ussj. Too bad I can see your revision history, or I might not have noticed you were the same person.  This account's gone. |
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| + supersaqer | Feb 2 2012, 11:33 AM Post #13 |
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Are you Kamikaze Pyro? Kid Buu is no match for Super Buu, he'd get beaten into hell. |
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Feb 2 2012, 02:29 PM Post #14 |
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And then Super Buu continues to beat up Kid Buu in hell while the other villains are watching. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Feb 2 2012, 05:07 PM Post #15 |
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We can only assume that Kid Buu was at full power when fighting Goku. He was beaten by Genki Dama, so he wasn't that much more powerful. |
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