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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 27 2012, 02:42 AM (1,549 Views) | |
| + Clearin | Jan 27 2012, 02:12 PM Post #16 |
 
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Cell can turn "buff" but has never proven to have an "ASSj" type powerup. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 27 2012, 04:47 PM Post #17 |
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 ...Cell told Trunks that he could essentially do the same thing that Trunks did... then Trunks said that Cell, against Gohan, was making the same mistake Trunks did. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jan 27 2012, 04:59 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jan 27 2012, 05:12 PM Post #18 |
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Yeah, that's what I meant by "Buff", that's referred to as "USSj" while "ASSj" is the form Vegeta used agaisnt 2nd form Cell. Which is why I wondered why Goku didn't use it agaisnt Cell. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 27 2012, 05:24 PM Post #19 |
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Well, I'd infer that if Cell could mimick A2SSJ, that he'd be able to mimick A1SSJ. That and A1SSJ required ki to transform and then used ki to maintain, I'd doubt he'd be able to fight Cell for very long in a form that taxes so much. That, and he didn't really know how strong Cell was. I would think that it'd be smartest not to overexert oneself, especially if you don't know how strong the enemy really is. |
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Jan 28 2012, 02:08 AM Post #20 |
 
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You guys are missing the point, gokus mssj is strictly for energy conservation, meaning that he is ALREADY stronger than assj vegeta and would be powering up for no reason than for show. Mssj is stronger than assj, its all the energy needed and put into the super saiyan state to maintain the state no matter what. making the 50x power up an added bonus for being an ssj. Gokus form is called mssj as he has mastered all the strength and speed a super saiyan can have, only Ussj is a form he could have increased his strength in, and it would have done no good as he needed to rest his body from the training as it was. using an untrained ussj form meant certain death, so then, why not just use the strength of a ussj in my Ki blasts? thats what goku did. So in effect, even HIS Ussj strength wasn't enough to take on cell, giving goku a pretty low to mid number abot 55-65% of cells true power. Goku mssj 100 gohan mssj 150 FP PC- 152 with an option to increase speed. Thats how i see it. |
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| Mysterious9001 | Jan 28 2012, 02:48 AM Post #21 |
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MSSJ = SSJ. That's pretty much fact as Vegeta implies that MSSJ is the same as the Super Saiyan state while decreasing energy consumption. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Jan 28 2012, 06:52 AM Post #22 |
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Because MSSJ has a higher multiplier than normal SSJ *awaits arguements* Just because the energy drain was the most prominent does not mean its the only good thing about MSSJ. Edited by POOHEAD189, Jan 28 2012, 06:52 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 28 2012, 07:04 AM Post #23 |
 
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Chapter: 390 (DBZ 196), P6.1-2 Context: Goku and Gohan emerged from the Room of Spirit and Time as suppressed Full Power Super Saiyans. Vegeta (to self): “…What’s with them?!...Is that Super Saiyan…!? No…It has a slightly different atmosphere…They’re being so natural in that state…” Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P7.2-7 Tenshinhan: “…Hey, Goku and Gohan were Super Saiyans just now, right? But even so, they were very…how do I say this?...Natural-feeling…” Piccolo: “…I think there’s no doubt that they were Super Saiyans…However, they’ve trained so that they can exist in that state at an ordinary, everyday level…” Trunks: “S-so then…When they fight, they’re [perform] an ev-even more tremendous transformation…!” Vegeta: “Are you an idiot?...You don’t seem to think things over…They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…” "Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different." - D2 |
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| POOHEAD189 | Jan 28 2012, 07:07 AM Post #24 |
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If ASSJ Vegeta walked around everwhere, they would all say he was a super saiyan too. Slightly different doesn't mean same power. Pushing power to limits to me implies increased strength. Like I said, keeping their energy is the main asset, but I think MSSJ gives them a bit more power than a regular SSJ Edited by POOHEAD189, Jan 28 2012, 07:09 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 28 2012, 07:09 AM Post #25 |
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Whoever said I was against you?  I think MSSjin garners a 150x multiplier. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Jan 28 2012, 07:11 AM Post #26 |
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Well this is new. I can safely post: 
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| + Clearin | Jan 28 2012, 12:41 PM Post #27 |
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It's actually a x0.5, it makes you half as strong. But really this quote should prove there's no power increase in MSSj: Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P7.2-7 Tenshinhan: “…Hey, Goku and Gohan were Super Saiyans just now, right? But even so, they were very…how do I say this?...Natural-feeling…” Piccolo: “…I think there’s no doubt that they were Super Saiyans…However, they’ve trained so that they can exist in that state at an ordinary, everyday level…” Trunks: “S-so then…When they fight, they’re [perform] an ev-even more tremendous transformation…!” Vegeta: “Are you an idiot?...You don’t seem to think things over…They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…” Edited by Clearin, Jan 28 2012, 12:41 PM.
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Jan 28 2012, 04:15 PM Post #28 |
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the multiplier is important but it doesnt beat all, goku had ALREADY discovered USSJ and USSJ2, he was ALREADY there. so he took his reserved USSJ strength and turned it into KI energy. so instead of ki weighting his strength? he ki weighted his blasts. which is why he took out cells power even though he was suppressed. The reason WHy goku gave cell a senzu bean to fight gohan whom goku KNEW was on FPPC's whole level. Gokus ACTUAL strength wasnt USSj unless he fully powered and ki weighted. All im saiyan. Mssj encompases ALL the energy inherent in SSJ, giving goku access to all the power a ssj has. so even though becoming a ssj doesnt give a high multiplier, but powering up sure as hell does, and powering up is the whole reason FOR MSSJ. in savage SSJ? there is NO powerup, in mssj there is an option for powering up to the absolute max. Meaning that goku HAD found the secret to using his USSJ strenght without powering up to the bulky form. THATS the secret of MSSJ. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 28 2012, 05:44 PM Post #29 |
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Gohan didn't discover ascended states. Maybe he did off-panel... Or maybe it was his HIDDEN POWAR!!!!! |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 28 2012, 10:16 PM Post #30 |
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Yeah, I was in a slightly trollish mood last night. I really don't think MSSjin is any stronger than normal SSjin. It's just more efficient in battle. |
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