Just how strong was initial Perfect Cell?

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Just how strong was initial Perfect Cell?
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+ Rebel X	Jan 26 2012, 02:03 PM Post #16
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 26 2012, 01:59 PM Quote: Oh yes, I remember. but that doesn't prove much of anything. I mean Cell never admits to defeat or says he's lost. He losses in strength because Ultra SSJ increases strength. Overall Trunks surpassed Vegeta but he slowed down. Which doesn't mean he was more powerful than Cell. Trunks' raw power surpassed the amount Cell was putting out at the time. That was the point. Quote: As far as Piccolo's quote, It's a matter of perspective. He thought he was more powerful because Trunks only claimed to surpass his father. I used to think Trunks was more powerful as well and he might be but in the end clearly he's not overall better than Cell in a fight. Piccolo couldn't hear Trunks say that. He couldn't even hear Son Goku say he was at 50% in Korin's place, so there's no way he would hear something from an even further distance. Which also doesn't make sense. Piccolo's hearing should go that far but I guess not. On the subject though. Are you saying that Trunks overall power was more than that of Perfect Cell but not Super Perfect Cell? I would love that LOL



+ Pyrus	Jan 26 2012, 02:04 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Rebel X Jan 26 2012, 02:03 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 26 2012, 01:59 PM Quote: Oh yes, I remember. but that doesn't prove much of anything. I mean Cell never admits to defeat or says he's lost. He losses in strength because Ultra SSJ increases strength. Overall Trunks surpassed Vegeta but he slowed down. Which doesn't mean he was more powerful than Cell. Trunks' raw power surpassed the amount Cell was putting out at the time. That was the point. Quote: As far as Piccolo's quote, It's a matter of perspective. He thought he was more powerful because Trunks only claimed to surpass his father. I used to think Trunks was more powerful as well and he might be but in the end clearly he's not overall better than Cell in a fight. Piccolo couldn't hear Trunks say that. He couldn't even hear Son Goku say he was at 50% in Korin's place, so there's no way he would hear something from an even further distance. Which also doesn't make sense. Piccolo's hearing should go that far but I guess not. On the subject though. Are you saying that Trunks overall power was more than that of Perfect Cell but not Super Perfect Cell? I would love that LOL Piccolo's hearing was never stated to be extremely long-distance except in the FUNimation dub of Movie 8, I'm pretty sure. No, I'm saying Trunks was stronger than Cell's suppressed power. Cell's full power should be multi-fold MSSjin Kid Gohan's.
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+ Rebel X	Jan 26 2012, 02:08 PM Post #18
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 26 2012, 02:04 PM Rebel X Jan 26 2012, 02:03 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 26 2012, 01:59 PM Quote: Oh yes, I remember. but that doesn't prove much of anything. I mean Cell never admits to defeat or says he's lost. He losses in strength because Ultra SSJ increases strength. Overall Trunks surpassed Vegeta but he slowed down. Which doesn't mean he was more powerful than Cell. Trunks' raw power surpassed the amount Cell was putting out at the time. That was the point. Quote: As far as Piccolo's quote, It's a matter of perspective. He thought he was more powerful because Trunks only claimed to surpass his father. I used to think Trunks was more powerful as well and he might be but in the end clearly he's not overall better than Cell in a fight. Piccolo couldn't hear Trunks say that. He couldn't even hear Son Goku say he was at 50% in Korin's place, so there's no way he would hear something from an even further distance. Which also doesn't make sense. Piccolo's hearing should go that far but I guess not. On the subject though. Are you saying that Trunks overall power was more than that of Perfect Cell but not Super Perfect Cell? I would love that LOL Piccolo's hearing was never stated to be extremely long-distance except in the FUNimation dub of Movie 8, I'm pretty sure. No, I'm saying Trunks was stronger than Cell's suppressed power. Cell's full power should be multi-fold MSSjin Kid Gohan's. Alright so then still Trunks wasn't more powerful than Cell overall



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 02:24 PM Post #19
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Cell 3 (Initial, vs Vegeta/Future Trunks, overpowered Vegeta, and stated that Trunks' power-up was for nothing) < Cell 3 (Powered, vs Goku/Gohan, whittled Goku to exhaustion, tried to anger Gohan) < Cell 3 (Full, vs Gohan, Kamehameha was countered) < Cell 3 (Overpowered, vs Gohan, kicked in the face) Cell 3 (Zenkai, ultimately lost to Gohan) Cell 3 (Initial) <<< Future Trunks (A2SSJ) through admission <<< Goku (SSJ, At Korin's Tower) through expression; implies that Goku's power is stronger than anything previously witnessed \|2\| Goku (SSJ, Cell Games) admitted that his Korin's Tower power was only half of his full. << Cell 3 (Powered, At Goku) seemed to have the power advantage. Vegeta, iirc, states that Cell seemed to always be a few steps ahead of Goku <<< Gohan (SSJ, Cell Games) he didn't believe that Goku and Cell's power was maximum... <<< Cell 3 (Full) <<< Gohan (SSJ2, At Cell) ...



~~Victorious~~	Jan 27 2012, 12:23 AM Post #20
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	Well we know he's powerful enough to tank SSJG2 Vegeta using a full forced kick without hardly even budging. I would suggest he's multifolds above Vegeta there. He was also pretty cocky in taking on a amplified ki blast from Vegeta and he knows Vegeta's Saiyan arc techniques. We know he's considerably weaker (ki wise) than SSJG3 Trunk since he stated such. Although he can easily beat him in a fight since Trunks can't even hit him. This is what I call the "warm up" suppression for Cell. Since he told Vegeta he was "warming up" and also did 0 power ups from here to the start of the Cell games and then spared with Goku initially and called that a "warm up". I don't think 50% Goku is more powerful than SSJG3 Trunks since he did 0 power up and shown 0 power downs from him going 50% on Karrin tower to fighting Cell in the warm up. They sparred equally in the warm up so they are very close there and should be a bit below SSJG3 Trunks. So 100% MSSJ Goku >> SSJG3 Trunks >> 'Warming Up' suppression Perfect Cell = 50% MSSJ Goku >>>> SSJG2 Vegeta Edited by Victorious, Jan 27 2012, 12:30 AM.
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Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 27 2012, 01:56 AM Post #21
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Victorious Jan 27 2012, 12:23 AM I don't think 50% Goku is more powerful than SSJG3 Trunks since he did 0 power up and shown 0 power downs from him going 50% on Karrin tower to fighting Cell in the warm up. They sparred equally in the warm up so they are very close there and should be a bit below SSJG3 Trunks. So 100% MSSJ Goku >> SSJG3 Trunks >> 'Warming Up' suppression Perfect Cell = 50% MSSJ Goku >>>> SSJG2 Vegeta It's not known if Goku was at 50% when warming up with Cell. He could have been < 50%. We know for certain that Goku was 50% at Korin's Tower, and Trunks, and everyone else, pretty much crapped themselves over it; this happens directly after the Trunks-Cell fight. So, if 50% Goku was not stronger that Trunks, then Goku's power would not have merited the response it did, imo. heavy implication, otherwise why act like Goku was so gd powerful... ? So Goku (SSJ, Initial, Cell Games) ? Cell 3 (At Vegeta/Trunks) <<< Future Trunks (A2SSJ, At Cell) <<< Goku (SSJ, At Korin's Tower) \|2\| Goku (SSJ, Full, Cell Games) \|\|< Cell 3 (Powered, At Goku)



~~Victorious~~	Jan 27 2012, 05:19 PM Post #22
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	bizness86 Jan 27 2012, 01:56 AM Victorious Jan 27 2012, 12:23 AM I don't think 50% Goku is more powerful than SSJG3 Trunks since he did 0 power up and shown 0 power downs from him going 50% on Karrin tower to fighting Cell in the warm up. They sparred equally in the warm up so they are very close there and should be a bit below SSJG3 Trunks. So 100% MSSJ Goku >> SSJG3 Trunks >> 'Warming Up' suppression Perfect Cell = 50% MSSJ Goku >>>> SSJG2 Vegeta It's not known if Goku was at 50% when warming up with Cell. He could have been < 50%. We know for certain that Goku was 50% at Korin's Tower, and Trunks, and everyone else, pretty much crapped themselves over it; this happens directly after the Trunks-Cell fight. So, if 50% Goku was not stronger that Trunks, then Goku's power would not have merited the response it did, imo. heavy implication, otherwise why act like Goku was so gd powerful... ? So Goku (SSJ, Initial, Cell Games) ? Cell 3 (At Vegeta/Trunks) <<< Future Trunks (A2SSJ, At Cell) <<< Goku (SSJ, At Korin's Tower) \|2\| Goku (SSJ, Full, Cell Games) \|\|< Cell 3 (Powered, At Goku) SSJG3 is a useless form. Piccolo and Trunks both know that by now so them being amazed at Goku's 50% could just mean they're amazed at him being so strong in regular Super Saiyan. Remember "warming up" Cell could tank SSG2 Vegeta like nothing and could also easily beat the useless SSJG3 Trunks in a fight...so if 50% Goku is around that strong he could do the same. Goku tells them he doesn't really think he can beat Cell, and after he goes 50% on Korrin tower no one questions that or anything or suddenly thinks Goku is gonna easily beat Cell. So doubtful 50% Goku is any stronger than "Warming Up" Cell against Vegeta or Trunks. Who we know was considerably surpassed in ki by SSJG3 Trunks. Edited by Victorious, Jan 27 2012, 08:09 PM.
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Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 27 2012, 05:25 PM Post #23
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	the cake is a lie. EDIT THIS IS NOT SPAM! IT RESPONDS TO THE ABOVE POST! IT IS BASICALLY STATING THAT THE ABOVE POST IS MERELY AN EMPTY RESPONSE TO WHAT IT QUOTES AND IS POSSIBLY BAIT. I SAY POSSIBLY BECAUSE WHILE I DON'T NECESSARY BELIEVE SUCH, IT MAY LOOK THAT WAY TO THE AVERAGE JOE. STILL, I ACKNOWLEDGE THE BAITINESS OF IT WITHOUT SUCH MEASURES AS REPORTING . SO THIS ISN'T SPAM . Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jan 27 2012, 07:13 PM.



+ Rebel X	Jan 27 2012, 06:08 PM Post #24
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	bizness86 Jan 27 2012, 05:25 PM the cake is a lie. Don't spam dude you'll get in so much trouble. OMG watch out it's the admins and MODS coming! no but on the subject....wait on a side note actually. What the heck is this G talk. Noones mentioned anything about SSJ Gangsters?!? now on the subject. So we already know Goku at 100 is more powerful than everyone but Cell and Gohan. So where is he on par with USSJ Trunks? 50% or less?



SuperSaiyan1993	Jan 27 2012, 07:09 PM Post #25
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	I think that Cell's power was extremely suppressed at the time; he said he was just warming up against ASSJ Vegeta and IMO didn't take the fight with USSJ Trunks too seriously otherwise he would've evaded every blow from the start. In addition, he didn't power-up not even once. Telling Trunks that his power was greater is true from where his power was currently not it overall. Power-wise, Krillin said that Cell was hiding a vast amount of power. So, in reality the power level hierarchy would be, simply put, as follows: USSJ Trunks<100% MSSJ Goku< Full Power Perfect Cell. However since no one (besides Krillin) had a sense to the true nature of Cell's power it would appear to be: Initial Cell < USSJ Trunks
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~~Victorious~~	Jan 27 2012, 08:04 PM Post #26
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	Basically the entire Perfect Cell chain should go something like this SSJ2 Kid Gohan >= Perfect Cell [zenkai/"Super Perfect"] >>> Perfect Cell [Full Power] >>> MSSJ Kid Gohan ~ Perfect Cell [ powered up suppression] >> 100% MSSJ Goku >> SSJG3 Trunks ~ SSJ Vegeta [Cell games] ~ SSJ Trunks [Cell games] >> Perfect Cell [warming up suppression] >= 50% MSSJ Goku >>>> SSJG2 Vegeta > Perfect Cell [initial suppression/fake ki] >> 2nd form Cell [full power] Edited by Victorious, Jan 27 2012, 08:08 PM.
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