Why GT Could Have Been Great (but wasn't)

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What did you think about DBGT?
Loved it	1 (3.7%)
Liked it	6 (22.2%)
Thought it was okay	6 (22.2%)
Impartial	1 (3.7%)
Don't know, don't care	0 (0%)
Meh	4 (14.8%)
Thought it was bad	3 (11.1%)
Disliked it	0 (0%)
Hated it	6 (22.2%)
Total Votes: 27

Why GT Could Have Been Great (but wasn't)
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 22 2012, 03:55 PM Post #1
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	OK, so for now, just forget everything you know about DBGT. Now, imagine a new addition to the DBZ series. Its premise, put as vaguely as possible, is basically something like this: -The main cast travels the galaxy searching for the dragonballs. -The main cast travels to many different planets, fighting many different enemies -The series shows what happens to the main cast after the Buu Saga, and how they mature, develop, and get stronger -There are new enemies stronger than Buu OK, now to add in the details (spoilers ahead) Spoiler: click to toggle -Vegeta and Goku attain a transformation beyond SSJ3, the Super Saiyan 4 -Vegeta and Goku also attain another transformation known as the Golden Oozaru/Golden Great Ape, a mixture of the Super Saiyan and Oozaru -The series adds some background info on the history of Saiyans, and their war against their precursors, the Tuffles -The series introduces a villain that was created by the Tuffles -Android 17 returns as a villain Now, when you put it that way, it almost makes DBGT seem like an awesome show. So what made it so terrible? The major reasons are: -Pan, simply everything and anything about Pan -Goku turning into a kid -The show is centered on Goku too much -A large part of the show features Goku, Trunks, and Pan as the main cast. The main cast possibly could have been Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Goku if Pan didn't push the freaking button. -Oh god, the Super 17 Saga. What a mess. -Think some of the main characters like the humans and Piccolo were downgraded to secondary characters in the Buu Saga? Watch DBGT and think again. -The Para Brothers. Imagine the cheesiness of the Great Saiyaman and the Ginyu Force combined with the annoyingness of Pan and Chi-Chi, put all into three people. So, do you think that if they took out those bad parts, it could have been good?



~~CatouttaHell~~	Jan 22 2012, 04:01 PM Post #2
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I loved GT at least as much as Z. The reason most people hate is because they watched the dub. There's nothing wrong with Son Pan or Chibi Son Goku IMO. Pan is a normal 9 year old girl, it's only when the dub turns her into a bitchy 14 year old that it is a problem. Son Goku is far, far better as a kid as well IMO. Yi Xing Long, Si Xing Long, and San Xing Long felt like far more interesting and fitting big bads to end the series with than Majin Boo. They're actually related to the objects the series (supposedly) centers around and are the consequence of their overuse, unlike Majin Boo who just came out of nowhere and had nothing to do with anything.



~~brolyeuphyfusion~~	Jan 22 2012, 04:07 PM Post #3
The Legendary Nightmare Posts: 1,001 Group: Suspended Member #6,990 Joined: November 17, 2011	It would have been good if the ridiculous overpowering, that overly stupid super 17 saga, the excessive focus on Goku, and the entire kid Goku thing, never existed. But Android 17 returning as a villain is just plain stupid. It's just like Majin Piccolo. The base saiyans would laugh and take him out with a single punch. The fight would have gone like this: where Goku/Vegeta is Cell and Android 17 is Hercule. It's just too late to make 17 a villain again. The only way he could be of any importance is to be Goku's fusion partner in the Baby Saga. Edited by brolyeuphyfusion, Jan 22 2012, 04:38 PM.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 22 2012, 10:37 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	brolyeuphyfusion Jan 22 2012, 04:07 PM But Android 17 returning as a villain is just plain stupid. It's just like Majin Piccolo. The base saiyans would laugh and take him out with a single punch. Did that happen in GT? Not exactly. When I said, "Android 17 returns as a villain," it was implied that he returns as a stronger villain who could put up a match against the saiyans, which is what happened in GT. I agree with the rest of your post though.



Famicommander	Jan 22 2012, 10:53 PM Post #5
Jukebox hero Posts: 440 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star	There are tons of things that I would have done differently, but I still consider the first half of GT to be much better than the Buu Saga or Garlic Jr Saga. Baby is a much better villain than Buu, I like how it digs into the Saiyan/Tuffle backstory, and I enjoy the comical tone that some of the earlier episodes take. Reminds me of Dragon Ball, which is a good thing. Super 17, the Shadow Dragons, and the ending were garbage in my book, though.



FollowtheLeader	Jan 22 2012, 11:30 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	TeenGohan Jan 22 2012, 03:55 PM OK, so for now, just forget everything you know about DBGT. Now, imagine a new addition to the DBZ series. Its premise, put as vaguely as possible, is basically something like this: -The main cast travels the galaxy searching for the dragonballs. -The main cast travels to many different planets, fighting many different enemies -The series shows what happens to the main cast after the Buu Saga, and how they mature, develop, and get stronger -There are new enemies stronger than Buu OK, now to add in the details (spoilers ahead) Spoiler: click to toggle -Vegeta and Goku attain a transformation beyond SSJ3, the Super Saiyan 4 -Vegeta and Goku also attain another transformation known as the Golden Oozaru/Golden Great Ape, a mixture of the Super Saiyan and Oozaru -The series adds some background info on the history of Saiyans, and their war against their precursors, the Tuffles -The series introduces a villain that was created by the Tuffles -Android 17 returns as a villain Now, when you put it that way, it almost makes DBGT seem like an awesome show. So what made it so terrible? The major reasons are: -Pan, simply everything and anything about Pan -Goku turning into a kid -The show is centered on Goku too much -A large part of the show features Goku, Trunks, and Pan as the main cast. The main cast possibly could have been Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Goku if Pan didn't push the freaking button. -Oh god, the Super 17 Saga. What a mess. -Think some of the main characters like the humans and Piccolo were downgraded to secondary characters in the Buu Saga? Watch DBGT and think again. -The Para Brothers. Imagine the cheesiness of the Great Saiyaman and the Ginyu Force combined with the annoyingness of Pan and Chi-Chi, put all into three people. So, do you think that if they took out those bad parts, it could have been good? And Vegeta never reached SS3 like he should have!



Optimus Banana	Jan 22 2012, 11:30 PM Post #7
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Piccolo would need a transformation or massive power up and the humans should have learned kaioken or got a power up. I also wish there wasn't that many time skips even in Z. I hated seeing the human companions getting old and wrinkly. Edited by Optimus Banana, Jan 23 2012, 12:00 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 22 2012, 11:44 PM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I think just a better dub would've made for a 90% improved GT. The FUNi dub changed practically every line for some unknown reason, and it leaves us with questions and the hatred you see most fans having.
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Ani-Nation	Jan 23 2012, 12:49 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,751 Group: Members Member #6,334 Joined: June 9, 2011	ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 22 2012, 11:44 PM I think just a better dub would've made for a 90% improved GT. The FUNi dub changed practically every line for some unknown reason, and it leaves us with questions and the hatred you see most fans having. Change Pan's voice actor and it would of improved by over 9000 percent.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 23 2012, 01:00 AM Post #10
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Ani-Nation Jan 23 2012, 12:49 AM ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 22 2012, 11:44 PM I think just a better dub would've made for a 90% improved GT. The FUNi dub changed practically every line for some unknown reason, and it leaves us with questions and the hatred you see most fans having. Change Pan's voice actor and it would of improved by over 9000 percent. Wow, I've never realized how annoying Pan's voice was, maybe that could have been a reason I hated her for most of the show. How right you are!



+ Clearin	Jan 23 2012, 01:16 AM Post #11
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	DBGT is the one show I refuse to watch the dub and only watch subs, not that I watch GT much at all. I actually love the Japanese music and even a handful of episodes. Even if I can't remember 95% of the series. Also Spoiler: click to toggle I don't think Pan is that annoying Spoiler: click to toggle even in the dub Spoiler: click to toggle I think Android saga Vegeta is 5x more annoying than her



Ani-Nation	Jan 23 2012, 01:19 AM Post #12
Posts: 2,751 Group: Members Member #6,334 Joined: June 9, 2011	Teen GohanZ Jan 23 2012, 01:16 AM DBGT is the one show I refuse to watch the dub and only watch subs, not that I watch GT much at all. I actually love the Japanese music and even a handful of episodes. Even if I can't remember 95% of the series. Also Spoiler: click to toggle I don't think Pan is that annoying Spoiler: click to toggle even in the dub Spoiler: click to toggle I think Android saga Vegeta is 5x more annoying than her At least Vegeta doesn't constantly complain and make things worse.....nvm



*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 23 2012, 01:36 AM Post #13
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	I don't even like GT subbed (which is how i've seen the majority of it. Pan's voice actually made me not watch the dub, as well as the horrible music). Some episodes are ok and I do like the music as well. Everything was too fast for me though. Usually, a Dragonball saga tends to have fights against henchmen and it goes into more detail. GT just rushed everything so they could get Goku fighting the main villain. I did like Baby as a villain though and Uub after his fusion was pretty cool. It had potential and some good ideas but I don't think they were executed properly.
	We'll never be those kids again


FollowtheLeader	Jan 23 2012, 02:18 AM Post #14
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	Ani-Nation Jan 23 2012, 12:49 AM ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 22 2012, 11:44 PM I think just a better dub would've made for a 90% improved GT. The FUNi dub changed practically every line for some unknown reason, and it leaves us with questions and the hatred you see most fans having. Change Pan's voice actor and it would of improved by over 9000 percent. Get rid of Pan, SS4, Uub, Bulla, add Bruce Faulconer, have it all on earth, make the part were all bad guys break out and get their revenge the end, and we got ourselves a hit.



DanielSan	Jan 23 2012, 03:00 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Most of the time I watch dubs but GT did such a bad job I had to watch it in the sub. I don't think Pan was annoying as some people but she was still better in the sub. I think so. Also the music was way way better in the sub as well. I liked gt so yeah.



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