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The Androids
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* Yu Narukami	Jan 21 2012, 12:40 AM Post #1
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Where did the idea that the Mirai Androids are weaker than the Present Androids come from? If I recall correctly, Mirai #17 stated that he wasn't even using 40% of his full power against Mirai Gohan, yet he still had the advantage. And I have Mirai Gohan stronger than SSJ Goku (Namek) SSJ Goku (Namek) : 150,000,000 SSJ Mirai Gohan : 180,000,000 Mirai #17 (<40%) : 200,000,000 Mirai #17 (100%) : >500,000,000 I have the Mirai Androids at the same power as the Present Androids, nothing to me suggested that the Mirai Androids were, in any way, weaker than the present androids. Sure, they may have gotten rusty in their skills, but they'd still be just as strong



+ Pyrus	Jan 21 2012, 12:46 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Maito Gai Jan 21 2012, 12:40 AM Where did the idea that the Mirai Androids are weaker than the Present Androids come from? If I recall correctly, Mirai #17 stated that he wasn't even using 40% of his full power against Mirai Gohan, yet he still had the advantage. And I have Mirai Gohan stronger than SSJ Goku (Namek) SSJ Goku (Namek) : 150,000,000 SSJ Mirai Gohan : 180,000,000 Mirai #17 (<40%) : 200,000,000 Mirai #17 (100%) : >500,000,000 I have the Mirai Androids at the same power as the Present Androids, nothing to me suggested that the Mirai Androids were, in any way, weaker than the present androids. Sure, they may have gotten rusty in their skills, but they'd still be just as strong It was Trunks that stated the present androids were stronger than his, and Future C17 said "less than half", not 40%, although that's what I take "less than half" to mean. I think it's impossible to stick with 40% and keep all the Saiyans spaced apart like they're implied to be. 40% Future C17: 160,000,000 (100%: 400,000,000) Future Son Gohan: 195,000,000 Future Trunks (arrival): 200,000,000 - 3 year gap - Future Trunks: 400,000,000 Son Goku: 450,000,000 Vegeta: 500,000,000 And that's just doubling Trunks' power and going from there. I can't do it. It has to be: Vegeta > Son Goku > Future Trunks > \|3 years\| > Future Trunks >= Future Son Gohan > C17 (40%)
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+ Clearin	Jan 21 2012, 12:48 AM Post #3
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	2 lines directly from Trunks: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Chapter: 357 (DBZ 163), P4.3 Trunks: “…But somehow I ended up coming to a past slightly different that the one I know…The timing of Goku’s heart disease was different, there are 3 androids, and their strength is greater too…”



+ Pyrus	Jan 21 2012, 12:51 AM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Jan 21 2012, 12:48 AM 2 lines directly from Trunks: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Chapter: 357 (DBZ 163), P4.3 Trunks: “…But somehow I ended up coming to a past slightly different that the one I know…The timing of Goku’s heart disease was different, there are 3 androids, and their strength is greater too…” Some would say the androids were still toying with Trunks and never used their real power, invalidating his first line and thus his second line. But I don't think Toriyama thought about it that deeply myself. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 21 2012, 12:52 AM.
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Mysterious9001	Jan 21 2012, 01:29 AM Post #5
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	Nothing contradicts it anyways, so it must be true.



Hugga_Bear	Jan 21 2012, 03:32 PM Post #6
Posts: 197 Group: Member Member #7,072 Joined: December 14, 2011	Pretty sure they just toyed with Trunks, they liked the fight and didn't go all out against him or Gohan until the latter was a threat, then they annihilated him. Nah, just Trunks being naive, as for Goku's heart condition doesn't that come about because he doesn't have to face Mecha Frieza/King Cold? So he isn't put under as much duress until 19 and 20 show up... The idea comes from Trunks but I'm pretty sure it's just bunk.



SuperSaiyan1993	Jan 23 2012, 03:08 AM Post #7
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	There's no way that the future androids were less powerful than the present ones. In Trunks's perspective, they were considering that they were merely toying with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise would have to state how Trunks's coming back in time, maybe Cell as well, would've caused Gero to make them weaker. The odds of that happening are incredibly slim and more importantly unexplained
	We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.


+ Clearin	Jan 23 2012, 03:18 AM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	supersaiyan1993 Jan 23 2012, 03:08 AM There's no way that the future androids were less powerful than the present ones. In Trunks's perspective, they were considering that they were merely toying with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise would have to state how Trunks's coming back in time, maybe Cell as well, would've caused Gero to make them weaker. The odds of that happening are incredibly slim and more importantly unexplained You could say the same about Goku's heart virus taking much longer, Android 16 and 19 existing etc etc



+ Pyrus	Jan 23 2012, 03:19 AM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	supersaiyan1993 Jan 23 2012, 03:08 AM There's no way that the future androids were less powerful than the present ones. In Trunks's perspective, they were considering that they were merely toying with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise would have to state how Trunks's coming back in time, maybe Cell as well, would've caused Gero to make them weaker. The odds of that happening are incredibly slim and more importantly unexplained C17 would have had to have been using like 10% of his power against Son Gohan then. Not that that's a problem necessarily, but it doesn't really fit IMO. Why wouldn't he just say, "I only used a quarter of my power against you", or something like that. It would've made Son feel even more hopeless. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 23 2012, 03:20 AM.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Jan 23 2012, 03:19 PM Post #10
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Teen GohanZ Jan 23 2012, 03:18 AM supersaiyan1993 Jan 23 2012, 03:08 AM There's no way that the future androids were less powerful than the present ones. In Trunks's perspective, they were considering that they were merely toying with him. Anyone who thinks otherwise would have to state how Trunks's coming back in time, maybe Cell as well, would've caused Gero to make them weaker. The odds of that happening are incredibly slim and more importantly unexplained You could say the same about Goku's heart virus taking much longer, Android 16 and 19 existing etc etc Goku's heart virus took much longer because in the timeline that Trunks altered, Goku never fought Mecha Frieza and King Cold as a Super Saiyan. Vegeta criticized Goku after he saved him from 19, saying something along the lines of didn't you know that going super saiyan would only accelerate the virus. So, that reason is explained. As for 16 and 19, it's more speculation than anything but you could arrive at a more reasonable theory than how 17 and 18 are more powerful in the main timeline.
	We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.


~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Jan 23 2012, 03:32 PM Post #11
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	IMO, the Future Androids were just as strong as their present day counterparts, the reason they died so easy was because Trunks was a lot stronger.



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