Ali vs Tyson

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Ali vs Tyson
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 19 2012, 11:27 PM (976 Views)
+ Pelador	Jan 19 2012, 11:27 PM Post #1
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	This will be my first in a series of topics pitting boxing legends together in theoretical fights. No one can definitavely prove anyone would beat anyone. Boxing can be very random with only a single punch being needed to win a fight. So lets respect each others opinions please since nobody is right. I'd rather put the Ali who beat Sonny Liston in one round against Tyson than the one who beat Foreman. Reason being that the one against Foreman had lost his mobility, speed and agility which was what was made Ali so amazing in the first place. I believe this is when he was at his prime. As for Tyson, I want to also use the one at his absolute best of course. Perhaps I should pick the one who faught Carl Williams in 1989. Or did he start getting sloppy before this? I'm not an expert on Tyson so I cannot really say. Regardless, both fighters are at their prime. They have their best trainers and corner men. They get the absolute best result out of their training. What will happen when they get into the ring? I think that Ali will start off the first two rounds moving around the ring, narrowly avoiding Tyson's powerful hooks and setting up jabs and 1, 2 combos. In the third round Tyson lands a hook and floors Ali but Ali's constitution and heart allow him to get back to his feet and recover. Then there are three rounds of Ali basically dominating with his jabs and combos, avoiding Tyson's powerful punches. In the seventh round Ali finally beats down a tired and battered Tyson. Tyson doesn't get up in time for the count.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 12:05 AM Post #2
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Tyson in his prime would get to Ali
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+ Pelador	Jan 20 2012, 05:31 AM Post #3
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate on that? This is suppose to be a debate after all. Do you think that Tyson's power might prove too much for the young Ali? He nearly got Ko'd in one hit by Henry Cooper who would won the fight had the bell not rang. And I reckon Tyson had more punching power than Cooper. But then So did Foreman. Mind you this is a different Ali to the one who faught Foreman. Might not be as tough. Certainly more agile though.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 05:39 AM Post #4
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	I see tyson being able to push ali into a corner. Not in a pummeling sense, but more of a herding sense. Once cornered he can lead him into a serious hook. Should be enough
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+ Pelador	Jan 20 2012, 05:44 AM Post #5
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	That doesn't work on Ali. Sonny Liston tried it and so did George Foreman. He's too slick to let himself get trapped.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 06:41 AM Post #6
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Prime Tyson had some of the most godly reflexes in boxing history. Ali's jabs would end up getting him killed.
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Noir	Jan 20 2012, 06:45 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	You also have to look at the evolution of athletes. The boxers in Tyson's time were much better than the boxers of ali's (as a whole). Prime Tyson was so ridiculously fast and powerful. With Cus DeMotto in his corner, Prime Tyson was unstoppable. I remember seeing a training video of him right after the junior olympics that he won and being blown away by how freaking fast he was. It was almost to the point of unhuman.
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~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Jan 20 2012, 01:12 PM Post #8
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	I don't know much about Boxing, I only really know the well-known Boxers, but IMO, Ali takes this, Ali in his prime is the Kurt Angle of Boxing, on the other hand, Tyson is incredibly strong and fast, plus, he has the same Birthday as me so that sould give him some points



Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 04:29 PM Post #9
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	No, ali does NOT Take this. I completely agree with Cooler. Tyson has one of the best defenses ever when he was in his prime (Hence the "MY DEFENSE IS IMPREGNABLE" Go watch some of his fights, he DODGES a lot of the blows that end up being counter for the OHKO Tyson was so disciplined at a young age, his boxing style was high maintenance. He was easily, a boxing GOD
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+ Pelador	Jan 20 2012, 04:47 PM Post #10
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I watched his fight with Trevor Burbick for the heavyweight championship titile. He was impressive but I wouldn't say he was the best I've ever seen. Burbick faught like a bum which made Tyson look more impressive than he really was. I put Tyson around the same level as Sonny Liston. Which don't get me wrong, is fantastic. Sonny Liston was a beast in his day. People thought Ali would get killed. Yet Ali won. Then went and beat him again in one round. So think he'd do ok. Last a few rounds. But Ali would get the better of him using his amazing agility and slipperyness.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 04:58 PM Post #11
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	This is where you're wrong. Everyone is "Oh tyson wasn't able to go the distance" TYSON TRAINED FOR THE DISTANCE. THAT's ALL HE DID. He never had to go the distance because people were always laid out within the first 3 rounds And I'm going to draw on the argument once again that cooler did. Edited by Fulgore, Jan 20 2012, 05:00 PM.
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+ Pelador	Jan 20 2012, 05:15 PM Post #12
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I never said Tyson couldn't go the distance. He was an amazing athlete, of course he could go the distance. But he would get worn down by Ali's jabs and crosses and then KO'd. Just like what happene with George Foreman. Who was probably a harder puncher than Tyson. His body combos were like pistons. And Ali withstood them. So I think he could handle Tyson.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 05:29 PM Post #13
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	George foreman was not known for his speed or reflexes. Tyson was known for all of it. Speed. Power. Reflexes. He was the pinnacle of Boxing
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+ Pelador	Jan 20 2012, 05:41 PM Post #14
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Foreman wasn't the fastest fighter but his power was phenominal. And people say Foreman was slow and cumbersome. I watched the Ali Foreman fight again last night, Foreman wasn't that slow. Plus he was an absolute tank. Chin like a rock. I was amazed he didn't get dropped sooner. Tyson was indeed fast for a heavyweight. But I think Ali was faster. Especially his jabs. Edited by Pelador, Jan 20 2012, 05:42 PM.
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Fulgore	Jan 20 2012, 05:47 PM Post #15
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Watch Tyson. He not only was fast, he was not only powerful, he had REFLEXES. His defense was impregnable. He could read punches like it was second nature. He countered with deadly force. He was in all forms of the manner, a killing machine
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