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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 18 2012, 02:18 AM Post #31 | ||||||||||||||
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Well, guys, I'm just going to have to say no, it's not stated. And Piccolo's statement does not imply that. I don't see it at all. He says that he's powered up a lot and that he may be able to do it, but he clearly can't... If Super Buu is uber suppressed, then it may look like:
and I have both SSJ Gotenks instance above that easily...
Piccolo was shocked that Goten and Trunks weren't going to go SSJ, which would have been their best bet. |
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Jan 18 2012, 02:26 AM Post #32 | ||||||||||||||
 
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Piccolo doesnt know Super Buu's power totally. He just knows he got a huge power up when Evil Buu swallowed Good Buu... and during the fight with Super Buu he's learning slowly but surely Super Buu's true limits. But there's no reason to think Piccolo would think base Gotenks (whom he just mentioned powered up a ton and thought was stuck in base) can beat Super Buu, when just a half hour earlier he knew SSJ Gotenks without training in the ROSAT would get killed....unless base Gotenks post ROSAT is considerably stronger than SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT. It's really the only route to go. The people who don't like it really have no answer other than "no way man, he can't be that strong, that's too crazy" etc, etc, etc...basically just nerfers and nothing more. Well Freeza being 1,000x Captain Ginyu is crazy, but that doesn't mean it's not true. We've seen huge power increases, and in the Buu saga they are a dime a dozen. Edited by Victorious, Jan 18 2012, 02:30 AM.
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 18 2012, 02:40 AM Post #33 | ||||||||||||||
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bashing sucks lots though. Goten and Trunks barely got the hang of fusion, before having to fight someone much more powerful that the guy they were suppose to fight. Krillin thought Gotenks would have been enough, but Piccolo told him that fusion may not have been enough. He was kinda right in that respect because SSJ Gotenks (RST) wasn't enough, but what I'm stating is that it is not stated that Gotenks (RST) got stronger than SSJ Gotenks. Still, no definitive statement, and I'm not going to bashed because of it. Gotenks became stronger; that's awesome. Gotenks became stronger than SSJ Gotenks prior to; he's amazing; I don't bash people who think this. The manga explicitly states, or even implies this, no, i doesn't; if someone states that it's established then they are probably trolling. |
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| Mysterious9001 | Jan 18 2012, 02:51 AM Post #34 | ||||||||||||||
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But it's implied. You're ignoring the statements. Piccolo says Super Buu is much stronger than Fat Buu and Goku could sense Super Buu from the Kaioshin Realm and was astounded at Super Buu's strength. Piccolo expects Gotenks as an SSJ to get a lot stronger to even have a chance against Buu, but Piccolo says it would be a miracle if they won. Then, Base Gotenks completely blows away those expectations and states Base Gotenks has a chance. Base Gotenks (Post) > Super Buu (Fake Ki signal) > SSJ Gotenks (Expecations) >>> SSJ Gotenks (Pre) is implied. Piccolo could definitely sense Super Buu's Ki properly. It's just that Super Buu was giving off a fake Ki signal. Edited by Mysterious9001, Jan 18 2012, 02:52 AM.
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Jan 18 2012, 03:24 AM Post #35 | ||||||||||||||
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The manga definitely implies it, how can Piccolo think base Gotenks has a chance when a half hour earlier he said SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT would get killed if base Gotenks post ROSAT > SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT is not a fact? | ||||||||||||||
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| Xfing | Jan 31 2012, 06:51 PM Post #36 | ||||||||||||||
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I wouldn't be so sure about this one, this is kinda preposterous. The boys were in the HTC for like half an hour, which makes about a week. Training hard as they did, there's no way they could have made Gotenks more than 5x stronger (I think 5x is the Super Saiyan multiplier for humongous powerlevels). I think that Post Gotenks at Super Saiyan is 20% stronger than Pre Gotenks (also Super Saiyan). |
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| + Clearin | Jan 31 2012, 06:54 PM Post #37 | ||||||||||||||
 
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Before the kids fused to fight Super Buu, Piccolo was all like "Please let there be a miracle..." Then once the kids fused (in base, without Piccolo knowing they can turn SSj once they've fused) he's all like "They actually stand a chance!" Edited by Clearin, Jan 31 2012, 06:54 PM.
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Jan 31 2012, 09:43 PM Post #38 | ||||||||||||||
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Gotenks (RST) < Gotenks (SSJ, Initial) Krillin thought the boys had a chance, Piccolo was skeptical, as always. Both have pretty much mastered ki sense. |
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Feb 1 2012, 01:42 AM Post #39 | ||||||||||||||
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Personally, gotenks is the most overrated character apart from post z sword gohan. Here is the chain - SSJ3 Gotenks >>>> SSJ Gotenks Post >> Base Gotenks Post > SSJ3 Goku >>= SSJ Gotenks Pre >> SSJ2 Goku > Base Gotenks Pre |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Feb 1 2012, 01:47 AM Post #40 | ||||||||||||||
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I'd agree like a half a year ago, but Base Gotenks (Initial) is at least comparable to SSJ2 Goku. SSJ Gotenks (Initial) is stated to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku. | ||||||||||||||
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Feb 1 2012, 01:55 AM Post #41 | ||||||||||||||
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Base Gotenks (Initial) - Is this Pre or Post Rosat? | ||||||||||||||
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Feb 1 2012, 02:44 AM Post #42 | ||||||||||||||
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it is pre-RST. Gotenks, his (Initial) power | ||||||||||||||
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Feb 1 2012, 04:46 AM Post #43 | ||||||||||||||
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To each his own here. Gotenks hasn't done anything which puts him above ssj2 goku/ majin vegeta. His fight against fat buu was gag. Without plot hax immunity he would have been killed under 10 sec. | ||||||||||||||
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Feb 1 2012, 04:51 AM Post #44 | ||||||||||||||
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agreed, but i wouldn't write off Gotenks' fight with Fat Boo. He survived and escaped and Vegeta could not have.done either. | ||||||||||||||
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| Mysterious9001 | Feb 1 2012, 04:59 AM Post #45 | ||||||||||||||
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Gotenks isn't an idiot. If we don't follow what cocky characters imply, I guess we should follow whatever Vegeta states either. | ||||||||||||||
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